gerrard,lampard and scholes

[franki68]

3 of the finest midfield players to grace british football ,we had them all at once,all at their peak .Each one of them at their best would grace any team from any era and yet England managers could not make it work ? why ?

[Cupramax]

Franki68's keyboard, earlier

[mickk]

Two or three good players can't make up for the other very poor players that make up a team.

[SWoll]

As above, it's a team sport.

Also, when you have 3 players who are all naturally trying to take up the same space on the pitch it will never work.

[franki68]

mickk said:

Two or three good players can't make up for the other very poor players that make up a team.

hmm,terry and ferdinand world class centre halves ,ashley cole top left back thats a pretty strong defence so Im not buying into that ,more bad management than bad players I think.

[entropy]

Scholes was shifted on to the left and that put an end to his England career.

[snowy]

entropy said:

Scholes was shifted on to the left and that put an end to his England career.

I also think Scholes didn't have the heart for playing for England, like other people have said, you cant have more than one player in the same place, shame as all 3 were GOOD players

[so called]

Real shame.
Work occasionally though. I still have a certain Germany 1- England 5 DVD in my apartment in Germany

[BroadWay81]

Whilst on holiday a good few years ago, my son and I watched a local Spanish U9 side play - they passed and controlled the ball better than I can recall any recent England team doing. Ok, a daft comparison, but the point is those young lads seemed to have a natural ability for intelligent playmaking through the team. As good as Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes where, England teams fall short in this respect from a very young age and seems to be one of the reasons why we are unable to compete at international level

[franki68]

entropy said:

Scholes was shifted on to the left and that put an end to his England career.

Possibly the most idiotic managerial decision ever ?

The was a concerted press campaign to replace scholes with lampard,the reason ...scholes wasn't scoring goals whereas lampard was.Never mind for the first time in ages England had a player who could control and dictate the tempo of a match.
Imagine Spain or Barcelona dropping Xavi or moving him out to the wing ,because he wasn't scoring enough goals?
That was the power of the press.

[Masters1968]

SWoll said:

Also, when you have 3 players who are all naturally trying to take up the same space on the pitch it will never work.

Spot on IMO - they all played in the same position so Scholes ended up left midfield and the team never had shape or balance.

[Challo]

Masters1968 said:

SWoll said:

Also, when you have 3 players who are all naturally trying to take up the same space on the pitch it will never work.

Spot on IMO - they all played in the same position so Scholes ended up left midfield and the team never had shape or balance.

Most teams played a 4-4-2 so we insisted on having a left and right wingers. Killed Scholes game.

[Cheib]

franki68 said:

mickk said:

Two or three good players can't make up for the other very poor players that make up a team.

hmm,terry and ferdinand world class centre halves ,ashley cole top left back thats a pretty strong defence so Im not buying into that ,more bad management than bad players I think.

Cole was World Class....Terry and Ferdinand ? Nope. Ferdianand possibly because of his pace. Terry looks a very good player for Chelsea because he'd played behind a hugely dominant midfield for the last decade...he's very good in PL terms but no way World Class.

Scholes is the pick of the three to answer the OP's question. As others have said the idea of shifting him left to accommodate other players was just ludicrous.

[London424]

For me it was a combination of the press and managerial incompetence.

If one of the "names" wasn't picked there would be stories all over the place.

And somehow the manager couldn't work out how to play and dominate teams with players like

Seaman, Neville, Ferdinand, Campbell, Terry, Cole, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Rooney, Owen, Shearer (the list goes on)

It's criminal!

[entropy]

franki68 said:

entropy said:

Scholes was shifted on to the left and that put an end to his England career.

Possibly the most idiotic managerial decision ever ?

The was a concerted press campaign to replace scholes with lampard,the reason ...scholes wasn't scoring goals whereas lampard was.Never mind for the first time in ages England had a player who could control and dictate the tempo of a match.
Imagine Spain or Barcelona dropping Xavi or moving him out to the wing ,because he wasn't scoring enough goals?
That was the power of the press.

Passing technicians were very much underrated at that time.

It was only till the emergence of Michael Carrick did a DMF not only protect the back four but splay passes that could be the genesis of an attack was there some sort of appreciation but even now Carrick is still regarded as underrated.

With Xavi and Pirlo getting recognition Gerrard evolved into the 'quarterback' role which probably tells you about Lampard and Gerrard: box to box MFs who like to raid the final third.

[KareemK]

Carrick, for England, is, was and always will be rubbish.

Good club player but not International class.

[Cheib]

entropy said:

Passing technicians were very much underrated at that time.

Hoddle being the ultimate example of a squandered talent I would say. Only made 53 appearances for England. Supremely talented on the ball. And I am a Gooner!!

80's football can look agricultural compared to today but class is permanent as they say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xz3uRITYI8

Edited by Cheib on Sunday 4th January 09:28

[London424]

Cheib said:

Hoddle being the ultimate example of a squandered talent I would say. Only made 53 appearances for England. Supremely talented on the ball. And I am a Gooner!!

80's football can look agricultural compared to today but class is permanent as they say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xz3uRITYI8

Edited by Cheib on Sunday 4th January 09:28

I'd go as far to say the Greatest ever 2 footed player ever.

[jammy_basturd]

Each of them are the heart and engine of the teams they played in. Playing all three in one side would be like trying to build a watch with three different mechanisms.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Cheib said:

Hoddle being the ultimate example of a squandered talent I would say. Only made 53 appearances for England.

Less than Heskey, which is the one fact I always quote and tells you everything you need to know about the failure of England on the international stage.