which executive Tractor?
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It's finally time to replace my 10 year old 330 derv. I have been backwards and forwards on what to get next, so keen to hear your thoughts...
Some key considerations:
1) Just had our first child, so I need space in the back for the car seat and space in the boot for a ridiculous amount of sproglet related paraphernalia.
2) Comfortable/ well screwed together interior (decent ICE and a bit of luxury to help mitigate an almost complete lack of sleep)
3) A decent amount of poke... for when poking is allowed again!
4) Good handling on the motorway and twisties
I want one car to cover all of the above, so please no suggestions along the lines of "why don't you buy a Vauxhall Safira and a Zonda for the weekend?".
I cover around 13K miles per year, the majority of which are motorway or A road.
My short list:
1) Cayenne Diesel with a decent number of options ticked.
2) BMW 640 GC - pretty much all options ticked (small boot entrance, not that big in the rear, will suffer huge depreciation)
3) Audi A7 Sportback - (doesn't drive as well as the BMW)
And the outsider:
4) BMW M5 (I will have to stop to fill it up a lot)
Your thoughts are much appreciated.
Some key considerations:
1) Just had our first child, so I need space in the back for the car seat and space in the boot for a ridiculous amount of sproglet related paraphernalia.
2) Comfortable/ well screwed together interior (decent ICE and a bit of luxury to help mitigate an almost complete lack of sleep)
3) A decent amount of poke... for when poking is allowed again!
4) Good handling on the motorway and twisties
I want one car to cover all of the above, so please no suggestions along the lines of "why don't you buy a Vauxhall Safira and a Zonda for the weekend?".
I cover around 13K miles per year, the majority of which are motorway or A road.
My short list:
1) Cayenne Diesel with a decent number of options ticked.
2) BMW 640 GC - pretty much all options ticked (small boot entrance, not that big in the rear, will suffer huge depreciation)
3) Audi A7 Sportback - (doesn't drive as well as the BMW)
And the outsider:
4) BMW M5 (I will have to stop to fill it up a lot)
Your thoughts are much appreciated.
I should have mentioned that most of my runs will be 200+ miles, so the derv should be fine.
The FFRR is more than I want to spend. I am looking for a new build as I tend to keep my cars for a while and I like to have the perfect spec for me. I am trying to stay under £70K. I did try the V8 diesel Cayenne, but whilst it was a beast, I didn't feel it was worth the extra £11K plus running costs over the V6.
The RRS is in range, but I am not keen on it. Feels small inside to me and the handling is nowhere near that of the Cayenne.
Good shout on the Jag - I need to take a closer look for sure.
The FFRR is more than I want to spend. I am looking for a new build as I tend to keep my cars for a while and I like to have the perfect spec for me. I am trying to stay under £70K. I did try the V8 diesel Cayenne, but whilst it was a beast, I didn't feel it was worth the extra £11K plus running costs over the V6.
The RRS is in range, but I am not keen on it. Feels small inside to me and the handling is nowhere near that of the Cayenne.
Good shout on the Jag - I need to take a closer look for sure.
Get the M5.
Assuming fuel economy of 50mpg at 115.9p p/l in the diesel and 35mpg at 110.9p p/l the difference in fuel costs will be circa £500 a year. Those mpg may be way off a M5 but it gives you an idea of the cost difference.
£500 a year is worth just the noise of that V8 and it'll be much better than a Range Rover round the corners.
Assuming fuel economy of 50mpg at 115.9p p/l in the diesel and 35mpg at 110.9p p/l the difference in fuel costs will be circa £500 a year. Those mpg may be way off a M5 but it gives you an idea of the cost difference.
£500 a year is worth just the noise of that V8 and it'll be much better than a Range Rover round the corners.
P13TR0 said:
I should have mentioned that most of my runs will be 200+ miles, so the derv should be fine.
The FFRR is more than I want to spend. I am looking for a new build as I tend to keep my cars for a while and I like to have the perfect spec for me. I am trying to stay under £70K. I did try the V8 diesel Cayenne, but whilst it was a beast, I didn't feel it was worth the extra £11K plus running costs over the V6.
The RRS is in range, but I am not keen on it. Feels small inside to me and the handling is nowhere near that of the Cayenne.
Good shout on the Jag - I need to take a closer look for sure.
The XF should be on run-out from April, so you'll get a very good deal. With that budget, you'll get change with an XFR-S. The FFRR is more than I want to spend. I am looking for a new build as I tend to keep my cars for a while and I like to have the perfect spec for me. I am trying to stay under £70K. I did try the V8 diesel Cayenne, but whilst it was a beast, I didn't feel it was worth the extra £11K plus running costs over the V6.
The RRS is in range, but I am not keen on it. Feels small inside to me and the handling is nowhere near that of the Cayenne.
Good shout on the Jag - I need to take a closer look for sure.
A bit more special than the beemer..MonkeyMatt said:
Just thought I would throw this in as a wildcard suggestions!
Maserati Ghibli
I was really interested in these but none of the road tests have come back very positive and I don't want to buy a 2nd rate car just for the badge. Would love to hear experience from an actual person rather than a motor journalist.Maserati Ghibli
Of your shortlist, the Cayenne and A7 have folding rear seats. I believe that the 2 BMW cars do not.
Sounds petty, but if this is going to be your only family car then it's worth bearing in mind. Presumably this car will have to do Ikea, DIY store etc.
70K will probably get you the bonkers version of the A7 (S7).
Another thought: how about a Porsche Panamera? They strike me as a good "do it all" car. I know the looks are divisive but personally I think they look really good and they seem pretty practical (including folding rear seats). They come in petrol or diesel (and even hybrid). Worth considering?
My choice would be the most bonkers version of either the Audi A7 or the Jaguar XF, with the wildcard of the Panamera. I would expect massive discounts on all of them...
Sounds petty, but if this is going to be your only family car then it's worth bearing in mind. Presumably this car will have to do Ikea, DIY store etc.
70K will probably get you the bonkers version of the A7 (S7).
Another thought: how about a Porsche Panamera? They strike me as a good "do it all" car. I know the looks are divisive but personally I think they look really good and they seem pretty practical (including folding rear seats). They come in petrol or diesel (and even hybrid). Worth considering?
My choice would be the most bonkers version of either the Audi A7 or the Jaguar XF, with the wildcard of the Panamera. I would expect massive discounts on all of them...
dme123 said:
I was really interested in these but none of the road tests have come back very positive and I don't want to buy a 2nd rate car just for the badge. Would love to hear experience from an actual person rather than a motor journalist.
Why don't you go and try one and see what you think rather than the magsMonkeyMatt said:
dme123 said:
I was really interested in these but none of the road tests have come back very positive and I don't want to buy a 2nd rate car just for the badge. Would love to hear experience from an actual person rather than a motor journalist.
Why don't you go and try one and see what you think rather than the magsI'm going to hell for saying this but - I just couldn't bond with it.
It looks sensational from the outside. No doubt about it. The second best looking saloon on sale today, the first being the Quattroporte.
But - the interior left me underwhelmed. It lacked character. Cover up the Maserati logos and you could be in pretty much anything.
Driving it, it was extremely competent, but it felt - and I can find no other words here - rather Germanic. I was hoping for some passion, some drama, some element of love-it-or-hate-it. Instead I got something that was very well executed but rather forgettable.
I really wanted to like it, but I just couldn't make it work at the price they are asking.
But I agree that the OP should try one for themselves rather than listening to people like me
MonkeyMatt said:
dme123 said:
I was really interested in these but none of the road tests have come back very positive and I don't want to buy a 2nd rate car just for the badge. Would love to hear experience from an actual person rather than a motor journalist.
Why don't you go and try one and see what you think rather than the magsdme123 said:
MonkeyMatt said:
dme123 said:
I was really interested in these but none of the road tests have come back very positive and I don't want to buy a 2nd rate car just for the badge. Would love to hear experience from an actual person rather than a motor journalist.
Why don't you go and try one and see what you think rather than the magsKeep the 330d or replace it with a 330d for family duties. You really don't need anything bigger especially if its a touring and especially if you only have one.
The bit you dont want to hear.. spank the 70k or whats left on something nice for the weekend?
My sensible Dad head also says you dont need to spank 70k on anything for a family wagon as it will be puked in, shat in and generally abused by the offspring. Bang the money into a trust fund to pay for private education or uni fees?
Happy hunting! I would love to have this dilemma.
The bit you dont want to hear.. spank the 70k or whats left on something nice for the weekend?
My sensible Dad head also says you dont need to spank 70k on anything for a family wagon as it will be puked in, shat in and generally abused by the offspring. Bang the money into a trust fund to pay for private education or uni fees?
Happy hunting! I would love to have this dilemma.
I am both intrigued and frightened by the Ghibli... I would be worried that it will fall apart in the space of 4+ years and in my eyes, it isn't as beautiful as the quattroporte.
Being only 29 plus a few years, I fear the 7 series is designed for more experienced gentlemen than I.
Looks like I missed some pretty good lease deals in a Golf R
The seats do fold down in the 640d, but it isn't as easy as the Cayenne to just chuck stuff in the back. We had a look at the panamera. Sometimes I look at it and think it actually looks quite nice, and then other times it looks like the ugliest dog on the planet.... A bit like the effects of alcohol on the perceived beauty of a woman... Except I am not prepared to always have to drunk drive or risk waking up sober next to a Panamera.
Being only 29 plus a few years, I fear the 7 series is designed for more experienced gentlemen than I.
Looks like I missed some pretty good lease deals in a Golf R
The seats do fold down in the 640d, but it isn't as easy as the Cayenne to just chuck stuff in the back. We had a look at the panamera. Sometimes I look at it and think it actually looks quite nice, and then other times it looks like the ugliest dog on the planet.... A bit like the effects of alcohol on the perceived beauty of a woman... Except I am not prepared to always have to drunk drive or risk waking up sober next to a Panamera.
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