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I'm looking to switch out of a daily e92 m3 into a weekend car plus a more suitable car for the station run
Now, the weekend car, would like to be a porsche that's fun to drive and ovcan be a keeper, and would like it to be an appreciating asset in 5 years and something I can justify keeping for occasional use.
Why switch out of m3, it's fulfilling a lot of my fun right now, but feel in 5ys will be difficult to justify it's running costs vs value and does not have that special feel a specialist 911 does.
Part of me wants to keep m3 thinking that v8 is a potential classic but the production numbers are high and it's dot, I want a manual.
So which porsche? Regrettably I sold a 997 gt3 in 2008 which would have been perfect. It's either finding by another good example of this, a 997 gen1 manual tt, 996 gt2 or sticking my name down for a gt4.
The gt2 honestly is a little hardcore perhaps and my head says a 997 gt3 is a better purchase. How about a gen 1 manually tt that could be an interesting keeper with last and fastest mezger engine plus manual combo.
The gt4 would lose probably 40pct over next 5ys then bottom out and start appreciating if they do it right, so the other options are better and perhaps more exciting.
Not looking as the car as a place to invest as doubt that would work vs ig cash or equities but something I can put tlc into and have pleasure of owning and driving and without funding/hassle of being in the latest M4/rs4/991 etc
Now, the weekend car, would like to be a porsche that's fun to drive and ovcan be a keeper, and would like it to be an appreciating asset in 5 years and something I can justify keeping for occasional use.
Why switch out of m3, it's fulfilling a lot of my fun right now, but feel in 5ys will be difficult to justify it's running costs vs value and does not have that special feel a specialist 911 does.
Part of me wants to keep m3 thinking that v8 is a potential classic but the production numbers are high and it's dot, I want a manual.
So which porsche? Regrettably I sold a 997 gt3 in 2008 which would have been perfect. It's either finding by another good example of this, a 997 gen1 manual tt, 996 gt2 or sticking my name down for a gt4.
The gt2 honestly is a little hardcore perhaps and my head says a 997 gt3 is a better purchase. How about a gen 1 manually tt that could be an interesting keeper with last and fastest mezger engine plus manual combo.
The gt4 would lose probably 40pct over next 5ys then bottom out and start appreciating if they do it right, so the other options are better and perhaps more exciting.
Not looking as the car as a place to invest as doubt that would work vs ig cash or equities but something I can put tlc into and have pleasure of owning and driving and without funding/hassle of being in the latest M4/rs4/991 etc
Edited by dvshannow on Monday 5th January 06:49
Your M3 has the potential to become quite desirable especially following the backlash against the subjectively bulbous and ugly new turbo model....last of the na screamers, manual etc etc...but production numbers are clearly against it so further depreciation is inevitable.
The GT4 has the potential to be quite an epic last of a line car provided it is na (likely) and if the production numbers are kept quite low like the GT3 chances are residually it will be excellent and could well offer free motoring for c 2 years providing the price for the basic car is around £65k as anticipated.
The GT4 has the potential to be quite an epic last of a line car provided it is na (likely) and if the production numbers are kept quite low like the GT3 chances are residually it will be excellent and could well offer free motoring for c 2 years providing the price for the basic car is around £65k as anticipated.
VladD said:
Swap the M3 for a similar vintage M6? Rarer, faster and cooler.
Except they look like a dog's dinner and have a gearbox that won't work at anything other than 10/10ths. The requirement to lose as little money as possible makes it all a bit tricky. If the market crashes, which must be seen as a possibility, even the Porsches won't be future proof. But a GT model is probably where the money needs to go; I've always massively preferred the 997.2 GT3 if the budget stretches that far.
Would definitely agree with the Cayman R/Spyder as the residuals are very, very strong on them at present.
In the last 2 years the Spyder has gone up in value (according to For Sale prices) anything from £8-10k. Just lucky in that I got mine before people realised what cracking cars they are. Obviously the GT3 will always have a stronger following but they are currently in a different price league but from what I read the fun/driving enjoyment I nearly just as good.
George
In the last 2 years the Spyder has gone up in value (according to For Sale prices) anything from £8-10k. Just lucky in that I got mine before people realised what cracking cars they are. Obviously the GT3 will always have a stronger following but they are currently in a different price league but from what I read the fun/driving enjoyment I nearly just as good.
George
Hi thanks for replies, I like the idea of a gt3 but do think have missed the boat a bit on em partly, and partly I already had one and though I loved it do like something different this time.
An older bmw is no go as it's not going to age gracefully as the Porsches I feel
So it's sounds to me like either a turbo 997 or a gt4 is way to go
While I am not bothered the Cayman has tended to suffer from 911 stigma but think this will change of the gt4 is priced between 991 and 991s and faster than both on a track (good chance it will be) plus the better drive, and manual. So it could have v interesting residuals while being the most fun weekend car.
So will hold off until clarity on gt4 and if it's more like a souped up gets then look for a good gen1 997 tt in manual
An older bmw is no go as it's not going to age gracefully as the Porsches I feel
So it's sounds to me like either a turbo 997 or a gt4 is way to go
While I am not bothered the Cayman has tended to suffer from 911 stigma but think this will change of the gt4 is priced between 991 and 991s and faster than both on a track (good chance it will be) plus the better drive, and manual. So it could have v interesting residuals while being the most fun weekend car.
So will hold off until clarity on gt4 and if it's more like a souped up gets then look for a good gen1 997 tt in manual
utgjon said:
dvshannow said:
While I am not bothered the Cayman has tended to suffer from 911 stigma
Even by mentioning this, it makes you sound bothered ;-) .... 
but really it does not bother me, my question involved depreciation and perception by others will in fact impact my mtm, and while not a huge factor is a non-trivial factor in my decision making , will I care that I park up next to you in your 991 at the lights, no. I'd normally suggest a Ferrari as well, but I think prices for the traditionally more affordable Ferraris have gone a bit crazy and now don't really represent VFM given running costs and buy in price. I cashed out of mine a few days ago as it while it was a superb car in isolation, it wasn't worth it to me to keep at its new value and I'd rather spend the profit I've made on it by buying my first ever brand new car which I could normally never justify doing. If I was going Fcar now it'd be 599 no question. In sports car terms (the V8s), 2nd hand Porsches under £100k has every price comparable 2nd hand Ferrari under £100k licked for quality of drive. I'd take my GT3 over any donkey up to and including a 430 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Once you get over the "ooo! Ferrari!" thing, the extra costs of the italian become more difficult to justify.
All that said, I think a 599 is currently a massive bargain as Porsche don't really have a competitor for it - you can't beat a V12.
My weekend car choices if I was the OP would be either a 599 if big money available, or a GT3 of some description (money pretty safe in both), or a left field choice of RPM Technik's 996 CSR. I love the idea of re-invigorating a 996.1 like that, even better if you could get one with a lunched lump on the cheap and do a 3.7 conversion while you were at it! Not strictly a sensible residuals choice, but great value for money for what you'd get I think
All that said, I think a 599 is currently a massive bargain as Porsche don't really have a competitor for it - you can't beat a V12.
My weekend car choices if I was the OP would be either a 599 if big money available, or a GT3 of some description (money pretty safe in both), or a left field choice of RPM Technik's 996 CSR. I love the idea of re-invigorating a 996.1 like that, even better if you could get one with a lunched lump on the cheap and do a 3.7 conversion while you were at it! Not strictly a sensible residuals choice, but great value for money for what you'd get I think
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