Non runner sold to trader
Non runner sold to trader
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steve900

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9 posts

141 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Hi all, hopefully somebody can offer some advice.

My wife had a car that was essentially a non runner, had run well before but suspected a faulty alternator. Rather than fix it we sold it to a trader who buys non runners etc. Agreed on a price of £2200. The car had a logbook loan against it so it was agreed he would pay £1200 to take car and the other £1000 once the logbook had been returned. The logbook has now been returned and now he's saying there are more problems with the car than he thought and he doesn't want to pay anymore money.

His suggestions so far have been return the car to us and give him his money back (We don't want it back)

Or give him the logbook and he pays no more money

As far as we're concerned he owes £1000. and wont be getting the logbook until it's paid.

I wish we hadn't let the car go before all money had been paid. (Lesson learnt).

If anyone can offer practical advice it would be much appreciated!






PositronicRay

29,050 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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I think he's got you.
If he won't negotiate, take the car back and stick it on ebay listing the problems.

morgrp

4,128 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Just get the car back, return his cash and start again else where - must be other companies that do the same thing?

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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steve900 said:
Hi all, hopefully somebody can offer some advice.

My wife had a car that was essentially a non runner, had run well before but suspected a faulty alternator. Rather than fix it we sold it to a trader who buys non runners etc. Agreed on a price of £2200. The car had a logbook loan against it so it was agreed he would pay £1200 to take car and the other £1000 once the logbook had been returned. The logbook has now been returned and now he's saying there are more problems with the car than he thought and he doesn't want to pay anymore money.

His suggestions so far have been return the car to us and give him his money back (We don't want it back)

Or give him the logbook and he pays no more money

As far as we're concerned he owes £1000. and wont be getting the logbook until it's paid.

I wish we hadn't let the car go before all money had been paid. (Lesson learnt).

If anyone can offer practical advice it would be much appreciated!
Legally, once you agreed the sale price, and you satisfied the conditions (supplying the logbook) then that's that and you are owed a further 1k.

Whether you want to go down that route however is something else altogether.

Personally I would be thinking in terms of, if a dealer was willing to pay 2.2k then a private individual should be just as willing.

I'd take it back and refund him, and re-sell, the only realistic other option is to lose 1k in presumed value, your call, that is precisely what "We don't want it back" costs.

If it's just an alternator a used replacement should be cheap and considering you got 2.2k for a non runner from a trader, the difference between 1.2k and what you should sell a runner privately for, is likely to be considerable.

Again, your call, if convenience is something you so highly prize that you will in effect pay thousands for it, then so be it.

Gavin0478

480 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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As the registered keeper id just collect it back sell it on and give him nothing back as if he wants to be an arse just be one back. He wants to revoke the deal so call that his punishment.

rallycross

13,757 posts

267 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Finally a thread where the punter feels what it's like to be a trader (eg who ends up with a trade in that all looks fine on the day of the sale but after a few weeks turns out to have loads of hidden and expensive to sort problems).

Or maybe he is just trying it on?
I'd guess if it was your car you must know what it needed doing to make it ready for its next owners?

steve900

Original Poster:

9 posts

141 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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To be honest, the money that he paid has paid the loan off and haven't really got the money to buy it back off him, which we'd be doing effectively.

The way I see it is the price has been agreed and he owes another £1000. How easy that is to enforce I don't know?

PositronicRay

29,050 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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i would suggest with respect if you haven't the money to buy it back you haven't the money to fight him.
Try to negotiate he's got you by the short and curly's.

steve900

Original Poster:

9 posts

141 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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rallycross said:
Finally a thread where the punter feels what it's like to be a trader (eg who ends up with a trade in that all looks fine on the day of the sale but after a few weeks turns out to have loads of hidden and expensive to sort problems).

Or maybe he is just trying it on?
I'd guess if it was your car you must know what it needed doing to make it ready for its next owners?
The car broke down and showed all signs of a faulty alternator. it was left for a fair while. When he came to buy it we couldn't get it to jump start or even turn over. The price was then dropped to £2200 after we'd originally agreed on £3000.

The car has been bought as a non runner. It's what he does for a living so I assumed he would know what's what

blade7

11,311 posts

246 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Receipt from buyer ?

daemon

40,169 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Gavin0478 said:
As the registered keeper id just collect it back sell it on and give him nothing back as if he wants to be an arse just be one back. He wants to revoke the deal so call that his punishment.
Yeah i can see the trader being obliging about that....

steve900

Original Poster:

9 posts

141 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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blade7 said:
Receipt from buyer ?
Yes, got a receipt outlining the £1000 is outstanding and the logbook will be handed over once that is paid up.

Not sure what he can do with the vehicle if we don't hand over the logbook?

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

263 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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What are the other alleged "problems"?

daemon

40,169 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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steve900 said:
The car has been bought as a non runner. It's what he does for a living so I assumed he would know what's what
You're right, hes a trader so technically he hasnt a leg to stand on. If you have a written receipt agreeing on the £2200 with £1200 being paid to the logbook loan and the £1000 on production of the log book, i'd be seeking legal advice and taking him to court for it.

Realistically hes a shark and he smells blood. He knows you dont have the cash and hes looking another £1000 off the car.

If you cant stomach the hassle and delays of court, i'd borrow money off family or a friend short term, then stick the car on ebay stating they symptoms, but not saying something like "just needs an alternator" - something like, engine wont turn over, inspection prior to bidding recommended, car sold strictly spares or repair.


daemon

40,169 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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steve900 said:
blade7 said:
Receipt from buyer ?
Yes, got a receipt outlining the £1000 is outstanding and the logbook will be handed over once that is paid up.

Not sure what he can do with the vehicle if we don't hand over the logbook?
Probably very little, but he smells blood.


steve900

Original Poster:

9 posts

141 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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aw51 121565 said:
What are the other alleged "problems"?
He's saying the electrics are "playing up" and he can't get it to turn over. Reckons engine may be seized but definitely wasn't when we took it off the road.

He tried it and looked at it before he bought it.

PositronicRay

29,050 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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What's the car?

t400ble

1,804 posts

151 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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He sounds clueless.

t400ble

1,804 posts

151 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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He sounds clueless.

Mr Classic

224 posts

149 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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You don't need to refund him - you are a private seller. However, surely if he wants to sell this car, he needs the logbook? He is also stuck in a corner. If he wont pay the money you can take him to small claims court.