Kamikaze of Japanese Sportscars...
Discussion
With the exception of Nissan, all Japanese factorys doing Sports car suicides.
lets see..
Honda: No real sportscar at the moment, the S2000 was already doomed after few years of production.
The New CTR wont be a rival to Focus RS. Its a Chav GTI.
Subaru STI was a great car.. 10 years ago.. but the technology never improved.
Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
Mitsus
ti ..evo 9 was their last true sportscar.. evo 10 is even a disgrace to chinese cars.
Toyota gamer over.. Prius and Hybrid stuff to death.
But a new unaffordable concept will shine at Geneva to demonstrate the "true wannabe genes" of a boring company.
Mazda besides MX-5 nothing new here.. A born failure a.k.a. Rotary engine could debut soon.
lets see..
Honda: No real sportscar at the moment, the S2000 was already doomed after few years of production.
The New CTR wont be a rival to Focus RS. Its a Chav GTI.
Subaru STI was a great car.. 10 years ago.. but the technology never improved.
Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
Mitsus
ti ..evo 9 was their last true sportscar.. evo 10 is even a disgrace to chinese cars.Toyota gamer over.. Prius and Hybrid stuff to death.
But a new unaffordable concept will shine at Geneva to demonstrate the "true wannabe genes" of a boring company.
Mazda besides MX-5 nothing new here.. A born failure a.k.a. Rotary engine could debut soon.
Erm isn't the gt86 the car all petrolheads wanted? Manual low weight Rwd cheap, n/a
Built it it will sell millions, so they do, oh hang on it needs a turbo really. Oh so it needs what every other manufater gets slagged off for adding to their engines. Right.
No wonder the market fails.
Built it it will sell millions, so they do, oh hang on it needs a turbo really. Oh so it needs what every other manufater gets slagged off for adding to their engines. Right.
No wonder the market fails.
Markets change, sadly the case for the sportscar is a very difficult one to justify these days. Roads and driving are so congested there isn't much room for enjoyment anymore, the buying tendencies of our own domestic market show this.
People want the newest, blingest most gadget-laden eco car they can afford to rent (lease). MPGs, CO2s and toys are far more important than a good turn-in, adjustable steering angles and a sweet rev-band.
Maybe one day they will make a comeback, but certainly the "everyday sportscar" has had its day. This isn't the manufacturers losing their way, it's business.
People want the newest, blingest most gadget-laden eco car they can afford to rent (lease). MPGs, CO2s and toys are far more important than a good turn-in, adjustable steering angles and a sweet rev-band.
Maybe one day they will make a comeback, but certainly the "everyday sportscar" has had its day. This isn't the manufacturers losing their way, it's business.
S3000 said:
Subaru STI was a great car.. 10 years ago.. but the technology never improved.
Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
Dont agree with the gearbox comment. Most petrolheads love a 6 speed manual and that gearbox can take up to 600 bhp as standard! Its one of the best things Subaru has ever made.Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
rossub said:
S3000 said:
Subaru STI was a great car.. 10 years ago.. but the technology never improved.
Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
Dont agree with the gearbox comment. Most petrolheads love a 6 speed manual and that gearbox can take up to 600 bhp as standard! Its one of the best things Subaru has ever made.Power is still at the same level with the 10 year+ old 6 gear box. BRZ without STI engine is a fail !
okie592 said:
Erm isn't the gt86 the car all petrolheads wanted? Manual low weight Rwd cheap, n/a
Build it it will sell millions, so they do, oh hang on it needs a turbo really. Oh so it needs what every other manufater gets slagged off for adding to their engines. Right. No wonder the market fails.
Agreed. Another demonstration that internet chatter isn't worth a row of beans. Manufacturers need cars shifting out of the showrooms. People talk "flash" and then buy some tedious golf diesel instead. Build it it will sell millions, so they do, oh hang on it needs a turbo really. Oh so it needs what every other manufater gets slagged off for adding to their engines. Right. No wonder the market fails.
C.A.R. said:
Markets change, sadly the case for the sportscar is a very difficult one to justify these days. Roads and driving are so congested there isn't much room for enjoyment anymore, the buying tendencies of our own domestic market show this.
People want the newest, blingest most gadget-laden eco car they can afford to rent (lease). MPGs, CO2s and toys are far more important than a good turn-in, adjustable steering angles and a sweet rev-band.
Maybe one day they will make a comeback, but certainly the "everyday sportscar" has had its day. This isn't the manufacturers losing their way, it's business.
People want the newest, blingest most gadget-laden eco car they can afford to rent (lease). MPGs, CO2s and toys are far more important than a good turn-in, adjustable steering angles and a sweet rev-band.
Maybe one day they will make a comeback, but certainly the "everyday sportscar" has had its day. This isn't the manufacturers losing their way, it's business.
This.Unfortunately the misguided desire to own a white tractor with mega empeegees has effectively ruined this market. There will always be demand and there will always be something to scratch the itch but mainstream it ain't these days
and unfortunately Swiss are leading the way. Despite having beautiful B roads, mountains, cheaper petrol than neighbours, even cheaper 98RON, dislike for diesel and money, what do you see? Very few sports cars! Very few MX5s, zero Toyburus (except mine, but i get looks of pity not admiration!). What you will discover if you visit and drive out of Zurich is that the white Audi pushing to get past at 126kph will be a V8 not a TDi.
TDis are for vans. They got that right.
There is an active oldtimer scene though and a delight in old British sports cars, all of which are meticulously maintained.
(OP from CH btw)
TDis are for vans. They got that right.
There is an active oldtimer scene though and a delight in old British sports cars, all of which are meticulously maintained.
(OP from CH btw)
Robert Elise said:
and unfortunately Swiss are leading the way. Despite having beautiful B roads, mountains, cheaper petrol than neighbours, even cheaper 98RON, dislike for diesel and money, what do you see? Very few sports cars! Very few MX5s, zero Toyburus (except mine, but i get looks of pity not admiration!). What you will discover if you visit and drive out of Zurich is that the white Audi pushing to get past at 126kph will be a V8 not a TDi.
TDis are for vans. They got that right.
There is an active oldtimer scene though and a delight in old British sports cars, all of which are meticulously maintained.
(OP from CH btw)
agree with you, sometimes i want to slap one of them right in the face.TDis are for vans. They got that right.
There is an active oldtimer scene though and a delight in old British sports cars, all of which are meticulously maintained.
(OP from CH btw)
But i wouldnt do that in Russia or some hooligan land.
S3000 said:
With the exception of Nissan, all Japanese factorys doing Sports car suicides.
lets see..
Honda: No real sportscar at the moment, the S2000 was already doomed after few years of production.
The New CTR wont be a rival to Focus RS. Its a Chav GTI.
Tell me about it, they only made 'em for ten years.lets see..
Honda: No real sportscar at the moment, the S2000 was already doomed after few years of production.
The New CTR wont be a rival to Focus RS. Its a Chav GTI.
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