Car Batteries in warmer climes
Car Batteries in warmer climes
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Jakarta

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583 posts

172 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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2013 Honda CR-V 2.4 Auto here in Jakarta, I bought the car new in March of 2013 and just about a year later it failed to start. Wouldn't start off jump leads either.
Eventually recovered back home and dropped off at Honda who recommended a new battery. Duly purchased and here we are now 9 months later and the battery is starting to flag again. A little slower to start and I know it's time to get another.
Honda's explanation is that batteries only last a year!

So this battery won't be bought from Honda, off to a local Indy to buy and we'll see if this one lasts over a year.

Weather here is 32 every day and the AC is always on when the car is running. I assume that cars sold here are prepped for the conditions. Covered 22k miles in the 21 months we've had it so nothing overly excessive either.

Any thoughts on why 2 batteries from a main dealer in a brand new car would weaken so early?

To be fair, I've not really looked into it myself and checked the output from the alternator, but if the alternator is failing then the battery would be dead long before the year was up.

Matt Harper

7,050 posts

231 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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I've lived in central Florida for 14 years. Temps 60-80F in cool half of the year and 85-95F in the warm half. In my experience a car battery in a daily driver lasts about 2 years.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

220 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Liquid electrolyte in a non-sealed battery will evaporate in warm climates, fixable by topping up with distilled water. Newer style sealed & gel electrolyte batteries are less prone.

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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No idea what you are on about, I'm presently in what is considered relatively warm to fekking scorching 38C in summer, and all batteries last as long as they normally would, I am about to replace a Landcruiser battery that has lasted 6 years, and I replaced an OEM Mazda battery after 13 - yes, 13 years.

Anything less than 4 years is just not right.

Try a (decent) battery with higher Ah rating perhaps the one you have fitted is marginal and gets too much of a workout. Very short trips obviously won't help. AC engine driven nothing to do with battery.

Or a drain, many modern cars have quite a high drain when standing, and if left, repeated deep discharging won't be beneficial to any lead acid battery, but you can buy (perhaps not for all vehicles - usually for boats) deep-cycle batteries that can tolerate being discharged quite substantially a large number of times.


mikal83

5,340 posts

282 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Matt Harper said:
I've lived in central Florida for 14 years. Temps 60-80F in cool half of the year and 85-95F in the warm half. In my experience a car battery in a daily driver lasts about 2 years.
60-80F................WTF. Its snowed in Tampa b4. I've had sleet just to the north of there.

Jakarta

Original Poster:

583 posts

172 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Well, I understand the new battery is now in the car. I haven't seen the receipt so maybe I'll take a look under the bonnet over the weekend. If I'm back in a year with another conked battery then I'll look into it further.

Cheers,
Phil

Hoofy

80,138 posts

312 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Do you use the aircon all the time and charge your phone up while playing the radio? My battery was starting to get tired when starting the car because I was using the heating all the time, charging the phone up and playing the radio. I now only charge the phone up on every other journey, and turning off heating and the radio within a mile of parking, and the battery is back to turning over the engine like it should.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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In Malaysia battery life for OEM battery, Toyota etc is 2 years, 18 months for a cheap, the battery on my hixlux just give up after 21\2years which in my experience is excellent.

PositronicRay

29,052 posts

213 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Hoofy said:
Do you use the aircon all the time and charge your phone up while playing the radio? My battery was starting to get tired when starting the car because I was using the heating all the time, charging the phone up and playing the radio. I now only charge the phone up on every other journey, and turning off heating and the radio within a mile of parking, and the battery is back to turning over the engine like it should.
This stuff all runs off the engine/alternator not the battery surely. Unless you're from the 1970's and have a dynamo?

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

225 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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PositronicRay said:
Hoofy said:
Do you use the aircon all the time and charge your phone up while playing the radio? My battery was starting to get tired when starting the car because I was using the heating all the time, charging the phone up and playing the radio. I now only charge the phone up on every other journey, and turning off heating and the radio within a mile of parking, and the battery is back to turning over the engine like it should.
This stuff all runs off the engine/alternator not the battery surely. Unless you're from the 1970's and have a dynamo?
In newish cars with start/stop, the battery is supplying the load when you're stopped in a queue or at traffic lights.

Unless it's a Mazda using a socking great capacitor.

PositronicRay

29,052 posts

213 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Riff Raff said:
PositronicRay said:
Hoofy said:
Do you use the aircon all the time and charge your phone up while playing the radio? My battery was starting to get tired when starting the car because I was using the heating all the time, charging the phone up and playing the radio. I now only charge the phone up on every other journey, and turning off heating and the radio within a mile of parking, and the battery is back to turning over the engine like it should.
This stuff all runs off the engine/alternator not the battery surely. Unless you're from the 1970's and have a dynamo?
In newish cars with start/stop, the battery is supplying the load when you're stopped in a queue or at traffic lights.

Unless it's a Mazda using a socking great capacitor.
Start stop is an intelligent system, it will disable if the battery's low or too much drain (when it's stopped at lights turn heating/ac/electrical accessories/lights etc on and it'll restart all on it's own).

Hoofy

80,138 posts

312 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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PositronicRay said:
Hoofy said:
Do you use the aircon all the time and charge your phone up while playing the radio? My battery was starting to get tired when starting the car because I was using the heating all the time, charging the phone up and playing the radio. I now only charge the phone up on every other journey, and turning off heating and the radio within a mile of parking, and the battery is back to turning over the engine like it should.
This stuff all runs off the engine/alternator not the battery surely. Unless you're from the 1970's and have a dynamo?
That's what I thought but now I've changed things, everything's fine.

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

146 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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It's all very curious. If anything a battery should have an easier life in a warmer climate, as those who remember their schoolboy physics and chemistry will attest.

CraigyMc

18,370 posts

266 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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The only times I've come across a battery losing charge that fast was when the car had an electrical problem with the alarm/radio, and was being drained by that.

Jakarta

Original Poster:

583 posts

172 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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No start stop on the Indonesian market Honda, I doubt there will ever be a market for it here either. Traffic is so bad it would be ruinous to have such a system.

On another note...
The car is a 2.4 petrol with an automatic gearbox. Paddles on the wheel should you wish to control the gears yourself.
If the car is in D and you change gear, after a while the system reverts to full automatic which is absolutely fine. However, if S is selected and you subsequently change gear with the paddles, it will not revert to full automatic. Annoyingly you have to change back to D and then back to S (if you wish to keep it in Sport mode).
If anyone knows how to have the gearbox revert to full auto when in Sport mode I'd be very grateful.

Mroad

829 posts

245 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Claudia Skies said:
It's all very curious. If anything a battery should have an easier life in a warmer climate, as those who remember their schoolboy physics and chemistry will attest.
You are right, the higher temperature does increase the chemical reaction so you get better performance but unfortunately it also increases the chemical reactions that age the battery so you get a shorter life span.

Having looked into this a few years back for Lead acid batteries used in standby applications the rule of thumb is for every 10C rise in temperature above room temperature (22C) the battery life decreases by around a half.

Given the average life of a Lead acid car battery with ambient of 22C is around 5 years then I would expect half that in hotter climates with 10C higher ambient. Obviously position of the battery under the bonnet can effect the life span too, placing it near hot objects such as exhaust manifolds won't help matters.

Replacing 150+ failed Lead acid standby batteries because of air conditioning failure in a hot summer was not a nice job!