OK What The Hells Happened To The Stock Market Today
OK What The Hells Happened To The Stock Market Today
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DSLiverpool

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16,532 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Terrorists, Greece - crap everywhere but the biggest increase my portfolio has ever seen in one day - come on sages whats the driver?

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Dunno, but even my European Investment Trusts which have taken a bit of a beating over the last six months are no longer under water. Which, as you say, given the situation in Greece, and the general state of the European economies, is not what I expected.

Might be time to bale.

Nigel_O

3,882 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Good jobs data from the US, plus the Fed stating that interest rates likely to remain the same, plus high likelihood of QE in the eurozone

Even oil prices have stayed flat today, which after recent weeks, should be seen as a huge benefit

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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The market was down pretty solid since 29 December.
Due a bounce.

Terrorists and Grexit were yesterday's news - literally.

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Riff Raff said:
Might be time to bale.
Like this?

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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walm said:
Riff Raff said:
Might be time to bale.
Like this?
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai2.htm

smile

Ginge R

4,761 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Two things, money parked in cash has to be invested eventually so we saw a natural cyclical rise that was probably overdue from the tail end of December. But more notably, and predictably, the Eurozone deflated officially yesterday and the possibility of EQE is now stronger than ever. Fund managers were ready and waiting and decided to pile back in when the price is still low. The interesting thing will be to see where the money came from; was it predominantly reserves held in cash or did bonds experience larger than normal outflows? I doubt it.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

159 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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It may be up today but it's still down on where it was at the start of the year last week.

I should argue that it's one of those arguable situations where a big issue is oil and it's a big plus to those outside of oil and a big minus if outside it. Good or bad depending on your point of view.

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Riff Raff said:
I stand corrected! Sorry. Never heard of baling out before as legit spelling.

Magic919

14,560 posts

231 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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HenryJM said:
I should argue that it's one of those arguable situations where a big issue is oil and it's a big plus to those outside of oil and a big minus if outside it.
I can see I'm not cut out for this high finance lark, as that makes no sense to me.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

159 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Magic919 said:
I can see I'm not cut out for this high finance lark, as that makes no sense to me.
Particularly with the way I wrote it! generally I was trying to say that oil going down in price is good for some people and bad for others, depending on who you are and what you do.

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Magic919 said:
HenryJM said:
I should argue that it's one of those arguable situations where a big issue is oil and it's a big plus to those outside of oil and a big minus if outside it.
I can see I'm not cut out for this high finance lark, as that makes no sense to me.
Portfolio with oil stocks in it: Bad. Portfolio with no oil stocks in it: Good.

I think.

walm

10,644 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Except that has been the exact opposite of what has happened all week.

Oil down AND market down.
Today oil stabilised and the market was up.

gregf40

1,114 posts

146 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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The FTSE is only up 2.3% (following a pretty crap week) - calm down! smile


Ginge R

4,761 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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I won't get excited by anything other than quarterly increments. It's nice to get a quick gain but it's far more important to get the big picture right. Ignore the blips.. the small peaks and the troughs, and instead, scan over the horizon first. Getting a few years pension (backdated) contributions backdated for a high earning professional couple today who had lost all their child benefit as well due to their income was the big picture.

Selecting the funds by identifying the inclination and capacity for risk and loss was the distillation of that, the easy part. They had been blissfully unaware - their win through tax relief and reclamation of state benefits runs into many, many tens of thousands before fund performance even kicks in. I would allow myself a cigar.. if I smoked. Identify the force multipliers first, get the handle on the screwdriver as long as possible - and only then, sweat the small stuff.

Simpo Two

92,951 posts

295 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Ginge R said:
I would allow myself a cigar.. if I smoked. Identify the force multipliers first, get the handle on the screwdriver as long as possible - and only then, sweat the small stuff.
Awesome! How can I leverage my position in the Metaphor market?

Viper

10,005 posts

303 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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the tesco shares moved quite a bit today

DoubleSix

12,568 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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gregf40 said:
The FTSE is only up 2.3% (following a pretty crap week) - calm down! smile
Still a significant move (on EQE chatter).

I'm of the view it's a bear rally however. We've broken the 200 day MA to the downside and made a series of lower highs and lower lows in recent weeks.

I'll fade this rally

Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 8th January 18:50

Ginge R

4,761 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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Simpo Two said:
Awesome! How can I leverage my position in the Metaphor market?
Is there a buzzword bullst thread?!

gregf40

1,114 posts

146 months

Thursday 8th January 2015
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DoubleSix said:
Still a significant move (on EQE chatter).

Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 8th January 18:50
I don't consider the FTSE up 0.1% in a week significant - but each to their own! smile