Circular polarizer for a filter holder setup.
Circular polarizer for a filter holder setup.
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Gingerbread Man

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Friday 9th January 2015
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Looking at getting into using a filter holder and filters. My main stumbling block was polarizer fitment. What is the preferred option. I'm only making a start and for occasional photography. So I would rather not spend a huge amount. Maybe in the future if my shots seem to be going well. As I see it;

Cokin Z with their Cokin circular polarizer. (Mixed info on if their polarizer only fits their P series holders!?)

Lee holder with the adapter to screw on a circular polarizer.

Screwing a circular polarizer to the lens and then the holder to the polarizer.

Future proofing says go with a 100mm holder. Any tips and tricks, or is it just a nessassary expense?

steveatesh

5,316 posts

188 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Personally I went for the Formatt Hitech filter system which is a cheaper version of Lee but more expensive than Cokin. I chose them because of the reviews and the fact as a hobbyist I thought they'd be more than what I need and save some money on Lee prices too.

I have not been disappointed, there is a full range of filters,the aliminium holder is robust and well constructed and I can build up my collection of filters over time. I mainly use their 10 stop PRO for long day time shots and their graduated ND filter to help with the sky. Poloriser is on my to buy list.

Very easy to use and excellent results. Worth considering if you don't want to go the whole Lee route due to cost.

Gingerbread Man

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Friday 9th January 2015
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The reason for the Cokin (or similar) Z range over their smaller P range offerings was the 100mm filter, so compatible with Hitech and Lee in future. The filter holders seem similar. I think this aspect is okay.

Just the polariser, which I seem to have out often, so I don't think it would he a wise to loose it.

Just need to make sure I buy the right components.

Lee filters, although well regarded, would be overkill for me I feel.

RobDickinson

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278 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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I have Lee, use 2 slots with a 105mm thread attachment and a 105mm circ polariser.

Not a cheap option. ( bought the polariser of ebay for $30.. really have to buy a good one.. )

Other option is a square drop in one

or one on the lens you set first then screw on the filter holder, dont see that working.

Gingerbread Man

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RobDickinson said:
I have Lee, use 2 slots with a 105mm thread attachment and a 105mm circ polariser.

Not a cheap option. ( bought the polariser of ebay for $30.. really have to buy a good one.. )

Other option is a square drop in one

or one on the lens you set first then screw on the filter holder, dont see that working.
A square drop in filter is an option, but if I wanted to use an ND Grad also, they could conflict each other depending on angle desired.

So, with your setup, the outer slot on the holder has a slide in 'filter' as it were that has a female threaded section, so a standard, albeit large circular polarizer can screw in to the front? This sounds like an option.

SlidingSideways

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Friday 9th January 2015
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Gingerbread Man said:
The reason for the Cokin (or similar) Z range over their smaller P range offerings was the 100mm filter, so compatible with Hitech and Lee in future. The filter holders seem similar. I think this aspect is okay.
The main reason for using the "Z" (100mm) rather than "P" (85mm) is that you'll get vignetting from the "P" series filter/holder at <=11mm with the standard holder.
You can get a wide angle holder, although that will only accept one ND/grad, but can have a CP added to the front without issue.

Edit - The smaller ones are 85mm, doh!

Edited by SlidingSideways on Friday 9th January 09:23

Gingerbread Man

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SlidingSideways said:
The main reason for using the "Z" (100mm) rather than "P" (75mm) is that you'll get vignetting from the "P" series filter/holder at <=11mm with the standard holder.
You can get a wide angle holder, although that will only accept one ND/grad, but can have a CP added to the front without issue.
My other reason was lens filter diameter. Z coping for larger.

steveatesh

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Friday 9th January 2015
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Gingerbread Man said:
The reason for the Cokin (or similar) Z range over their smaller P range offerings was the 100mm filter, so compatible with Hitech and Lee in future. The filter holders seem similar. I think this aspect is okay.

Just the polariser, which I seem to have out often, so I don't think it would he a wise to loose it.

Just need to make sure I buy the right components.

Lee filters, although well regarded, would be overkill for me I feel.
have you seen the circular poloriser add on for the Hitech system that screws to the front of the filter holder?

Gingerbread Man

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steveatesh said:
have you seen the circular poloriser add on for the Hitech system that screws to the front of the filter holder?
I think Rob just alerted to that also, I'll get searching.

Gingerbread Man

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SlidingSideways

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steveatesh

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Friday 9th January 2015
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SlidingSideways said:
Yup plus the filter of course.
Size depends of course on what size your base holder is. I went for the 85mm base holder as again it seemed to be a good balance of cost and function.

The filters for the 100mm size are a lot more money, to date it's never caused me a problem but I'm only using the 18-55 mm standard lense with a 52 mm filter and the 55-200 lense which again uses a 52 mm filter thread.


Gingerbread Man

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Both links are the same thing. That looks quite a cheap solution as I believe the Cokin filter us quite expensive.

SlidingSideways

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They're different sizes. If you're planning on using the 100mm filters, you need the one in the teamworkphoto link I posted.
Just looked at CPL prices: Ouch!!

Gingerbread Man

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SlidingSideways said:
They're different sizes. If you're planning on using the 100mm filters, you need the one in the teamworkphoto link I posted.
Just looked at CPL prices: Ouch!!
Sorry, via the drop down box.

Yes, no cheap way to it it would seem.

DibblyDobbler

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221 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Or just don't bother ? Was there a specific purpose in mind for the polariser ? Can't remember when I last used mine... smile

kman

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235 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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Cpl's that go on filter holders arent cheap. I have a Heliopan 105mm that cost £200 or so. For me they are invaluable due to the subjects I shoot (cars usually) so have a lot of reflections to do with.

RobDickinson

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Friday 9th January 2015
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Lee's 105 mm thread ring goes on the front of the holder, doesn't take a slot, replaces the front shims. You really need a thin cpl to avoid vignetting though.

ExPat2B

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Saturday 10th January 2015
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Kood do a good quality CPL that fits in the cokin holders slot. Much cheaper than the other options, I have one and it works well.

Gingerbread Man

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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DibblyDobbler said:
Or just don't bother ? Was there a specific purpose in mind for the polariser ? Can't remember when I last used mine... smile
Depends on your photography type, but it's effects can't really be replicated in Photoshop that I know of. I'd rather learn the art in the field with filters over hours of photoshopping.

Takes reflections away for glass, water. Even vegatation.