Supersonic 777...
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DrTre

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...

I take it the airspeed would've been somewhat less so the reporting is a little hyperbolic?

Prawo Jazdy

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243 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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Is it a 'record time' or are they just using that as a turn of phrase? I'm sure I've seen people on here post PFD shots with ground speeds beginning with an '8'. Maybe it's rare for a strong jet to be sustained for a large part of the journey?

In the article I read they used the term 'supersonic' in the headline, and then explained why this was bks in the text. Typical clickbait.

FourWheelDrift

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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DrTre

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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Prawo Jazdy said:
Is it a 'record time' or are they just using that as a turn of phrase? I'm sure I've seen people on here post PFD shots with ground speeds beginning with an '8'. Maybe it's rare for a strong jet to be sustained for a large part of the journey?

In the article I read they used the term 'supersonic' in the headline, and then explained why this was bks in the text. Typical clickbait.
Yeah, I couldn't quite see what record it was that they'd broken (it's no doubt written in the article)...i assumed it was time rather than speed but is it time for that model of aircraft.

Edit: I'll go back and read it properly...

zb

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193 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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It will be the NY-London record time for a non-supersonic aircraft, the VC-10 held/holds the record.

Edit: seems some confusion between transatlantic and NY-London, some records refer to NY-Prestwick.

Edited by zb on Sunday 11th January 16:43

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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Half an hour early?

They regularly shave off more than an hour.

DrTre

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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To be fair, the Telegraph seem to be having a bit of trouble with their website;

This was on the frontpage a couple of hours ago...even now they've only corrected one of the typos...




Edit: MBH, an hour and a half early...although don't all operators over estimate their flight times so they can look faster than they really are when they land?

Edited by DrTre on Sunday 11th January 16:43

5150

750 posts

284 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Typical tabloid sensationalism.

This time of year, it's entirely normal to see groundspeeds in excess of 700mph. Aircraft speed through the air is the same as it always is. All this supersonic talk is complete horsest.

Press seem to be going Jetstream crazy of late, but most airlines crossing the pond with actively plan routes into a jetstream (tailwind) in order to cut down on flight times, thus saving fuel.

dvs_dave

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254 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I was on a transatlantic a few years back that hit 764mph ground speed. Nothing unusual at all about it so not sure why such a hoohaa with this particular instance? Some of our pilot chums will no doubt be along soon with photos of cockpit displays showing ground speeds equivalent to 800+ mph.

Edited by dvs_dave on Tuesday 13th January 02:52

Mabbs9

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247 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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As we don't use mph you are v unlikely to see a pic of 8 something, in kts that'd be really moving. A GS of anything over 700kts is a good help home. I think the highest I've had was 760.

The wind is regularly strong enough to do more, however the direction is obviously important, as is our level. The core of the jet being the strongest part, but is a fairly narrow 'tunnel'.

Jim Campbell

445 posts

251 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Mabbs9 said:
As we don't use mph you are v unlikely to see a pic of 8 something, in kts that'd be really moving. A GS of anything over 700kts is a good help home. I think the highest I've had was 760.

The wind is regularly strong enough to do more, however the direction is obviously important, as is our level. The core of the jet being the strongest part, but is a fairly narrow 'tunnel'.
If you could produce a photo of said 760kts GS you would hold the record for the fastest commercial GS on http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php excluding concorde of course.

What do you fly if you don't mind my asking?

Jim Campbell

445 posts

251 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Mabbs9 said:
As we don't use mph you are v unlikely to see a pic of 8 something, in kts that'd be really moving. A GS of anything over 700kts is a good help home. I think the highest I've had was 760.

The wind is regularly strong enough to do more, however the direction is obviously important, as is our level. The core of the jet being the strongest part, but is a fairly narrow 'tunnel'.
If you could produce a photo of said 760kts GS you would hold the record for the fastest commercial GS on http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php excluding concorde of course.

What do you fly if you don't mind my asking?

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Jim Campbell said:
If you could produce a photo of said 760kts GS you would hold the record for the fastest commercial GS on http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php excluding concorde of course.

What do you fly if you don't mind my asking?
Fastest by quite some margin. hehe

5150

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Wednesday 14th January 2015
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My record last winter - wind (more or less) directly behind us at 213kts. Giving 679kts groundspeed which is roughly 780 mph but all at a constant speed through the air!

brenflys777

2,680 posts

206 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Proof the Daily Mail and aviation stories are incompatible with actual facts!



No sonic boom from the 380 this time at 704kt GS or 810 mph biggrin

DrTre

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Wednesday 14th January 2015
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brenflys777 said:
Proof the Daily Mail and aviation stories are incompatible with actual facts!



No sonic boom from the 380 this time at 704kt GS or 810 mph biggrin
How very dare you suggest I read the daily mail!

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brenflys777

2,680 posts

206 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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DrTre said:
brenflys777 said:
Proof the Daily Mail and aviation stories are incompatible with actual facts!



No sonic boom from the 380 this time at 704kt GS or 810 mph biggrin
How very dare you suggest I read the daily mail!

wink
Apologies! The same story was in the Daily Mail with less clarification in the text! Still shocking reporting though.. smile

dvs_dave

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Wednesday 14th January 2015
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Jim Campbell said:
If you could produce a photo of said 760kts GS you would hold the record for the fastest commercial GS on http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php excluding concorde of course.

What do you fly if you don't mind my asking?
Indeed. 875mph GS is bloody quick. Assuming a conventional airliner cruising speed of circa 550mph, that's a 325mph tail wind. Not being an aviator, is such a jet stream speed possible?

Jim Campbell

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251 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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el stovey said:
Jim Campbell said:
If you could produce a photo of said 760kts GS you would hold the record for the fastest commercial GS on http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php excluding concorde of course.

What do you fly if you don't mind my asking?
Fastest by quite some margin. hehe
Fastest by 8kts http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/index.php?option...