Can I buy an "unregistered car"?
Discussion
72911 said:
A dealer has told me categorically that I cannot buy a new (road) car and not tax / register it with the DVLA – even if I have no intention of ever driving it on the road.
I think the point is this,1. Why would anyone buy a new road car and not register it for the road.
2. The dealer is paid/bonused by the manufacturer on the basis of REGISTRATIONS, not SALES. It matters which month the REGISTRATION is done.
3. If you've negotiated any discount the dealer will want to hit a registration target to get his bonus from the manufacturer.
4. Manufacturers compete for number of registrations achieved each month/year. An unregistered car is no help to them.
kwits who deregister their cars from the DVLA, live by maritime law and fail to recognise any laws. .... just to add, people buy farm tractors which may or may not be registered for the road. Also trucks used as "tugs" on factory sites. I know of no theoretical reason why this can't be done with a car.
If you are trying to pocket your negotiated discount, just get the car registered and then immediately SORN it.
If you are trying to pocket your negotiated discount, just get the car registered and then immediately SORN it.
Claudia Skies said:
I think the point is this,
1. Why would anyone buy a new road car and not register it for the road.
2. The dealer is paid/bonused by the manufacturer on the basis of REGISTRATIONS, not SALES. It matters which month the REGISTRATION is done.
3. If you've negotiated any discount the dealer will want to hit a registration target to get his bonus from the manufacturer.
4. Manufacturers compete for number of registrations achieved each month/year. An unregistered car is no help to them.
^^^ This^^^1. Why would anyone buy a new road car and not register it for the road.
2. The dealer is paid/bonused by the manufacturer on the basis of REGISTRATIONS, not SALES. It matters which month the REGISTRATION is done.
3. If you've negotiated any discount the dealer will want to hit a registration target to get his bonus from the manufacturer.
4. Manufacturers compete for number of registrations achieved each month/year. An unregistered car is no help to them.
Having said that I know of someone that has an unregistered Jensen SV8 in his 'collection '
As a dealer I would say yes you can buy a car and not register it. Manufactures want to shift units....try talking to the export department they will be helpful I am sure. Have done this several times for various reasons without any hitches. I expect the dealer is not sure what to do and doesn't want to put any effort in to find out how??
72911 said:
A dealer has told me categorically that I cannot buy a new (road) car and not tax / register it with the DVLA – even if I have no intention of ever driving it on the road.
Does anyone know if this is correct?
Thanks in advance.
The correct answer to this is...Does anyone know if this is correct?
Thanks in advance.
When the vehicle is registered in the UK that is when the vat is paid on the vehicle, NOT when it enters the UK.
A retail business cannot sell to a consumer without registering it, that is the vat has to be paid ergo so must be registered.
Contact your local vat office for clarification and see if you can qualify for exemption from levy ie vat as it will not be used on the road, but I don't think you will have much luck.
Actually I know a guy who did this on a motorbike because he bought it, knowing it would be a collector's item (it was a limited edition something-or-another) and so bought it without registering so the person who bought it next would be the first owner.
It is doable, but dealers don't like doing it.
It is doable, but dealers don't like doing it.
Sir Bagalot said:
nct001 said:
The correct answer to this is...
Not this
You should start by calling the UK HQ of the manufacture, followed by a call to DVLA
When that vehicle is sold in a retail environment that is selling dealer vat will need to be paid and will be done on first registration, dealer margins are paid on this sales price at the same time.
IF he can put forward case as I said by contacting vat help line, then he may be able to apply for exemption to levy IF certain requirements are met.
nct001 said:
No, I'm still correct.
When that vehicle is sold in a retail environment that is selling dealer vat will need to be paid and will be done on first registration, dealer margins are paid on this sales price at the same time.
Surely the VAT we be payable in the corresponding month/quarter that the vehicle is invoiced and nothing to do with when it is registered.When that vehicle is sold in a retail environment that is selling dealer vat will need to be paid and will be done on first registration, dealer margins are paid on this sales price at the same time.
Registration would trigger a payment by the retailer to the manufacturer/importer if he hasn't already paid for the car, and that would include the VAT due on the wholesale price of the car.
The invoice to the customer would determine when the retailer has to account for the VAT on the sale price.
The invoice to the customer would determine when the retailer has to account for the VAT on the sale price.
I've wondered this for track cars - say someone wanted to make a racing car out of (say) a brand new Chevrolet Captiva.
You don't really want the whole car - theres no point it coming with a leather interior, or an ICE system, or AC, or even the warranty, as it's all going in the bin.
Could you buy the car without all this stuff? Or if your a privateer in (say) the WTCC and want to make a car without any manufacturer motorsport support, do you have to pay full price and chuck half of it in the bin?
Similarly, say you wanted to put the engine from a new GTR into the Captiva. With the amount of gear required (engine, ECU's, sensors, wiring, mounts, bushings etc), you might find it cheaper to buy a whole car than buy all the parts required new from the manufacturer (i'm assuming that this way you'd be keeping the original vehicles identity) - but you wouldn't need all the ancillaries, and you wouldn't want to pay £500 in tax on a car which will never turn a wheel on the road.
You don't really want the whole car - theres no point it coming with a leather interior, or an ICE system, or AC, or even the warranty, as it's all going in the bin.
Could you buy the car without all this stuff? Or if your a privateer in (say) the WTCC and want to make a car without any manufacturer motorsport support, do you have to pay full price and chuck half of it in the bin?
Similarly, say you wanted to put the engine from a new GTR into the Captiva. With the amount of gear required (engine, ECU's, sensors, wiring, mounts, bushings etc), you might find it cheaper to buy a whole car than buy all the parts required new from the manufacturer (i'm assuming that this way you'd be keeping the original vehicles identity) - but you wouldn't need all the ancillaries, and you wouldn't want to pay £500 in tax on a car which will never turn a wheel on the road.
GoneAnon said:
What about when the laws change between buying the unregistered car and trying to sell/register it in the future?
You know, like introducing seatbelts, Airbags, ABS, new emissions standards, etc.
There's usually a cutoff point for unregistered old stock - 2cvs were last built in '90, but there are P-reg "new-at-first-reg-in-96" cars about. None more recent, because that was the cutoff point you could register something without a cat.You know, like introducing seatbelts, Airbags, ABS, new emissions standards, etc.
After that, you'd still be able to register it, but with an age-related plate from the year of manufacture.
Jakg said:
I've wondered this for track cars - say someone wanted to make a racing car out of (say) a brand new Chevrolet Captiva.
You don't really want the whole car - theres no point it coming with a leather interior, or an ICE system, or AC, or even the warranty, as it's all going in the bin.
Could you buy the car without all this stuff? Or if your a privateer in (say) the WTCC and want to make a car without any manufacturer motorsport support, do you have to pay full price and chuck half of it in the bin?
Similarly, say you wanted to put the engine from a new GTR into the Captiva. With the amount of gear required (engine, ECU's, sensors, wiring, mounts, bushings etc), you might find it cheaper to buy a whole car than buy all the parts required new from the manufacturer (i'm assuming that this way you'd be keeping the original vehicles identity) - but you wouldn't need all the ancillaries, and you wouldn't want to pay £500 in tax on a car which will never turn a wheel on the road.
I was thinking along this scenario, surely one make race series cars (from Clio to Ferraris) don't need to be road registered?You don't really want the whole car - theres no point it coming with a leather interior, or an ICE system, or AC, or even the warranty, as it's all going in the bin.
Could you buy the car without all this stuff? Or if your a privateer in (say) the WTCC and want to make a car without any manufacturer motorsport support, do you have to pay full price and chuck half of it in the bin?
Similarly, say you wanted to put the engine from a new GTR into the Captiva. With the amount of gear required (engine, ECU's, sensors, wiring, mounts, bushings etc), you might find it cheaper to buy a whole car than buy all the parts required new from the manufacturer (i'm assuming that this way you'd be keeping the original vehicles identity) - but you wouldn't need all the ancillaries, and you wouldn't want to pay £500 in tax on a car which will never turn a wheel on the road.
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