RE: Jaguar F-PACE revealed
RE: Jaguar F-PACE revealed
Monday 12th January 2015

Jaguar F-PACE - Detroit 2015

C-X17 crossover concept to debut at Detroit as production ready 'F-PACE'; 1,300 new jobs as a result



Nothing happens by accident in the car industry. And that's despite the casual air big carmakers sometimes like to project around future models. That's why you'll often see what's clearly a production ready concept sitting on a motorshow stand only to be told it's a feasibility study, or a reaction-getter, or just a bit of a tease. The automotive equivalent of "This old thing? It's just something I threw together..."

C-X17 'feasibility study' turns out to be ... feasible
C-X17 'feasibility study' turns out to be ... feasible
Which is why we're profoundly unsurprised by Jaguar's confirmation it will be producing what's basically the the C-X17 concept that we saw at the Frankfurt motor show in 2013, and pretty much unchanged to judge from these pictures. The so-called F-PACE (already dubbed the FACE-PALM in the PH office for no particular reason other than it sounds funny) is set to go on sale in 2016. And although the term SUV is conspicuously lacking from the official press release (which promises a "highly efficient five-seat performance crossover",) that's what it is.

Bringing us to Jaguar's coy protestations that "we received such an overwhelmingly positive response to the C-X17 concept car that we just had to make it a reality." We're too polite to dispute that, obviously, but we'll just add that the typical development time for a new model is around three years, and Jaguar insiders have certainly been talking of the F-PACE as a done deal practically since we first saw it.

F-PACE will share much with the XE range
F-PACE will share much with the XE range
Other details are thin on the ground at the moment, although the official release does confirm that the F-PACE will sit on the same aluminium architecture that will underpin the new XE saloon, which we'll finally get to drive later this month, and that it will use the company's recently developed four-wheel drive 'all surface progress control' systems - that's clever traction control.

The shared XE underpinnings mean that most versions will be powered by Jaguar's new Ingenium four-cylinder petrol and diesel engines, and it's a fair bet that brawnier versions will have V6s and maybe even V8s. Jaguar insiders have previously indicated that the F-PACE will effectively serve as an alternative to an XE wagon, so don't be surprised if we don't see a pure estate version of the new car. Oh, and we're also promised "class leading interior space", which is a bold claim given how roomy rivals like the BMW X3 are.

So it's happening, but is it a good idea? We'll leave that one up to you. But it's fair to say that the runaway success of smaller premium-badged SUVs meant that Jaguar really didn't have much alternative than to join the party, even as the sister brand to a company that just makes SUVs. Let us know what you think...


UPDATE
Off the back of the announcement of the F-PACE Jaguar Land Rover has confirmed its recruitment drive continues unabated and a new production line will be constructed at Solihull creating 1,300 new jobs. Described as a 'factory within a factory', JLR claims it as "Europe's biggest aluminium bodyshop and final assembly hall" and comes on top of the £1.5bn the firm has already invested in such technologies.

Traditionally home to Land Rover, Solihull currently builds the aluminium Range Rover and Range Rover Sport alongside more traditional products like the Defender and Discovery. The XE is the first time Jaguars have been built at Solihull but with addition of the related F-PACE JLR is clearly gearing up for an expected increase in demand.

Interestingly the press release announcing the expansion makes special mention of JLR's open door policy for members of the armed services making the transition into civilian work. "Following its commitment to enhancing employment opportunities for former service personnel in the wake of the Invictus Games, Jaguar Land Rover is welcoming applications from military personnel who are leaving or have left the services," it says. Whatever your background, applications for the new jobs are now being accepted.

[Additional reporting: Dan]

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Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

213 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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This...



...is much more like it. wink

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

226 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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About time. Good luck jaguar, I for one hope it'll sell shed loads.

I'm surprised it isn't platform sharing with land rover however. I'd also point aston martin in this direction too.

Good times ahead for British industry!

MyCC

337 posts

187 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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Well may I be the first to say that I really don't like the name! Wouldn't something like Q-Type have been a bit better?

Regards,

MyCC.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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F-PACE? For the love of fk! Have they been at the DMT again?

DeanoX

164 posts

235 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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Jaguar insiders have previously indicated that the F-PACE will effectively serve as an alternative to an XE wagon, so don't be surprised if we don't see a pure estate version of the new car
No. No. No. The whole point of a wagon/avant/sportbrake/sporthatch/tourer/estate (have I missed any?) is that from the front seats you can't tell its any different to the saloon. Only when you go round the back and stuff in Kid ste/bike/camping ste/rubbish for the dump/dog etc are you supposed to be able to tell.

I realise at Jag volumes having both XE and XF estates was always going to be a stretch, but still dissapointed if this turns out to be true.

Edited by DeanoX on Sunday 11th January 23:43

MyCC

337 posts

187 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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DeanoX][quote said:
Jaguar insiders have previously indicated that the F-PACE will effectively serve as an alternative to an XE wagon, so don't be surprised if we don't see a pure estate version of the new car
No. No. No. The whole point of a wagon/avant/sportbrake/sporthatch/tourer/estate (have I missed any?) is that from the front seats you can't tell its any different to the saloon. Only when you go round the back and stuff in Kid ste/bike/camping ste/rubbish for the dump/dog etc are you supposed to be able to tell.

I realise at Jag volumes having both XE and XF estates was always going to be a stretch, but still dissapointed if this turns out to be true.
I just don't think the sales are there to justify making an estate unfortunately. They are considered a bit too vanilla by premium manufacturers nowadays.

Regards,

MyCC.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

193 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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It's not bad looking for an SUV. If they have to build one then they could have done much worse. Why they built one, however, I don't know. When Landrover exists this just seems insane. Why not just re-skin and re-engine a Range Rover Evoque? It's not like anyone would criticise them for that.

J8 SVG

1,470 posts

160 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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SteveSteveson said:
It's not bad looking for an SUV. If they have to build one then they could have done much worse. Why they built one, however, I don't know. When Landrover exists this just seems insane. Why not just re-skin and re-engine a Range Rover Evoque? It's not like anyone would criticise them for that.
There is a huge need to make all JLR vehicles lighter - this new platform will help the next Evoque shed some weight and decrease the CO2 footprint (so they can make more V8s!!!)

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I think I have to face the fact that I have become a Jaguar fanboy - I don't usually like SUVs but have to admit that is rather nice (for what it is).

wildcat45

8,160 posts

219 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I like it.

Isn't it just doubling up with the Evoque? If you are in the market for one you'd look at the other.

Glad it's not just a badge engineering exercise.

MyCC

337 posts

187 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I think this will differ from the LR/RR brand by being much more focused on driveability, whereas LR are always committed to instilling their cars with superb off-road ability. The Jaguar will be an off-road-lite type of car, much more based around on-road performance. There is a place for both.

Regards,

MyCC.

zeppelin101

724 posts

222 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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DeanoX said:
I realise at Jag volumes having both XE and XF estates was always going to be a stretch, but still dissapointed if this turns out to be true.
Given how much everyone apparently loves estates, the XF sportbrake is a crap seller. So why make something that doesn't sell anything like what it was projected to?

The market predominantly wants an SUV of some description over an estate. The market gets what it wants in the end...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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wildcat45 said:
I like it.

Isn't it just doubling up with the Evoque? If you are in the market for one you'd look at the other.

Glad it's not just a badge engineering exercise.
It's more of a Disco Sport isn't it? But same point is valid, yes.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Does this mean that the Heart of England now has a Pace maker?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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zeppelin101 said:
Given how much everyone apparently loves estates, the XF sportbrake is a crap seller. So why make something that doesn't sell anything like what it was projected to?
Looking on autotrader as a guide, since the introduction of the Sportbake in 2012, there are 320 Sportbrakes against 693 saloons. Hardly a crap seller.

If you compare it to 5 series of similar vintage, there are 155 Tourings and 389 saloons, so a similar breakdown.

Seems about on the money to me.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
Does this mean that the Heart of England now has a Pace maker?
rofl

-crookedtail-

1,594 posts

220 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I have a lot of 'like' for this, should sell very well for them and I hope it does.

With it doing so well at the moment, is JLR still propping up TATA? If so it turned out to be a great buy for them and shows what a bit of investment can do.

JonnyVTEC

3,259 posts

205 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Sorry, are you referencing secondhand car adverts (NOT SALES) in the UK as a guide for global demand of new products?

Triple7

4,015 posts

267 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Dislike the name. Why use the F-Type name at all. At best F-SPORT, but PACE, is naff.

Roomy?! I've sat in the XE & there isn't that much space, so recon this looks great but is just too small to be useful.

Anyone know what sort if power these Igenium engines are going to run up to???? Are they modular & turn the 4pot into a 6?

Must be getting old, starting to reminisce & lust after the older Jags....

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

196 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Having recently started working at the Wolverhampton engine plant, this can only be good news for everyone involved and the British car industry as a whole

beer