M5 antilag ?
M5 antilag ?
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jackal

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11,251 posts

308 months

Sunday 11th January 2015
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In sport+ does the f10 have some sort of antilag going on ? It feels like there is strong pressure already in the blowers. Reponse on the throttle is just barking !

In fact I have to say that the peformance of this car is truly insane. The out and out capability and ground covering potential, laugh out loud stupid .... much much faster than the spec sheet would suggest. I've not driven any of the very latest supercars (650s, f12, 991t, speciale) but this m5 feels every bit as brutal as stuff like GTR, 997 GT2, 997 turbo S pdk, LP560 etc. As always its not just the power and torque but the gearbox and the whole manner in which it delivers its power.

E65Ross

36,714 posts

238 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I've not driven an F10 but have driven an F13 M6 a few times ad agree that the straight line speed is absolutely mental. The way these things get from 60 to 120 and well above is staggering. It's the fastest car I've been in (and I've been in some very nice cars)

However.... Next week I'm lucky enough to have been offered to be taken out in a McLaren 12C which will, I'm I'm sure, make the M6 feel rather sedate. More powerful but a massive 1/2 tonne lighter Nd a smaller footprint in the air.

JMBMWM5

2,389 posts

224 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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jackal said:
In sport+ does the f10 have some sort of antilag going on ? It feels like there is strong pressure already in the blowers. Reponse on the throttle is just barking !

In fact I have to say that the peformance of this car is truly insane. The out and out capability and ground covering potential, laugh out loud stupid .... much much faster than the spec sheet would suggest. I've not driven any of the very latest supercars (650s, f12, 991t, speciale) but this m5 feels every bit as brutal as stuff like GTR, 997 GT2, 997 turbo S pdk, LP560 etc. As always its not just the power and torque but the gearbox and the whole manner in which it delivers its power.
You have higher boost in Sport+ all the time, so increases response times, it's the only way to drive it really out of town.

Andy M

3,755 posts

285 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Prior to the running-in service (1,200 miles) I was a good boy and didn't touch Sport+. On the way back from the dealership, having had the service, I selected Sport+ and mashed the throttle. The speed at which the rear end of the car attempted to overtake the front while travelling at triple figures will have forever left a mark in my undercrackers.

Edited by Andy M on Monday 12th January 09:51

jackal

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308 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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My mate who worked for top gear for a decade (and who has been in pretty much everything) got out pretty shaken. He said exactly what sutcliffe said (without having ever seen that video), that the momentum and weight of it all reminded him of a veyron. smile


Theres also a guy on one of the m5 forums who thinks his PE m5 is as quick as his 991 turbo ... perhaps quicker in certain gears.

Edited by jackal on Monday 12th January 10:07

jackal

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Monday 12th January 2015
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JMBMWM5 said:
ou have higher boost in Sport+ all the time, so increases response times, it's the only way to drive it really out of town.
Ok thanks so out and out more power in sprt+.

I'm thinking talso hough that the turbos are kept spinning at a low rpm, thats what it feels like.

JMBMWM5

2,389 posts

224 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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jackal said:
Ok thanks so out and out more power in sprt+.

I'm thinking talso hough that the turbos are kept spinning at a low rpm, thats what it feels like.
Yep more boost turbo's spun up ready.
Power needs "feeding in" on these cars not just mashing the pedal, if you mash the pedal you will be in the hedge row or shop front.

Schermerhorn

4,352 posts

215 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Either the gearing and/or mapping is brilliant or these things are putting out way more than 552bhp as claimed.

joscal

2,578 posts

226 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I picked my new one up a couple of weeks ago and being my third M5 I thought it would be a doddle but I have to admit it is a serious monster and definitely needs to be treated with respect!
Not even run in yet...perhaps I'm getting old..

jimmsy

932 posts

153 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Does Sport and Sport+ not also make the pedal more sensitive? So 50% pedal travel on Comfort and 50% pedal travel in Sport doesn't mean the same power being requested? (I'm not sure how to word this properly).

i.e. if you have a constant throttle and then swap from Comfort to Sport, you'll speed up.

jackal

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308 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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jimmsy said:
Does Sport and Sport+ not also make the pedal more sensitive? So 50% pedal travel on Comfort and 50% pedal travel in Sport doesn't mean the same power being requested? (I'm not sure how to word this properly).

i.e. if you have a constant throttle and then swap from Comfort to Sport, you'll speed up.
yes definitely .... very easy to try, just keep your foot fixed and cycle the button, the car will lunge forward when you engage +

JMBMWM5

2,389 posts

224 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Either the gearing and/or mapping is brilliant or these things are putting out way more than 552bhp as claimed.
over 600 BHP for none CP and nearer 640 for Comp Pack cars.

chris5150

742 posts

226 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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So what about the m5 30 year Jahre then,?, how much do you reckon that is putting out?

jackal

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308 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I wonder what will happen to the M5 in the next gen ? I personally cant think of what i'd replace this car with. If FF's make a mighty tumble in 2 years time than that might be an option but other than that I think i'll have this thing for quite some years.

E65Ross

36,714 posts

238 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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My only disappointment with the M6 is the noise inside the cabin is so dreary in my opinion. It replaced an E92 M3 which had an engine which sounded so much nicer and was so, so much more exciting. But there's no denying just how effective the new engine is. It's stonking and the M6 is such a good, capable daily (and I'm sure the M5 is all but the same with a different interior)

chris5150

742 posts

226 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Did it the other way round Jackal, had an FF, and also ran a well spec'd 5 series as a daily. Preferred being in the M5, comfort, tech, solid feel, much nicer place to be than the FF. Yes FF sounded great, but other than that I prefer my M5..it is a 30 jahre one with the carbon brakes & the akrap M exhaust, so it does stop & go well, sounds good too, but not in the FF catergory soundwise
But made the right choice, I think the M5 is a far better all round car, certainly nicer to be in

JMBMWM5

2,389 posts

224 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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chris5150 said:
So what about the m5 30 year Jahre then,?, how much do you reckon that is putting out?
Well over 600 should be, needs dynoing, not to many around.

Schermerhorn

4,352 posts

215 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Not much in it between an F10 M5 and a Ferrari FF.

Honestly, I wish I'd got one of these instead. They are probably the most complete car around for my requirements.

jackal

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Monday 12th January 2015
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chris5150 said:
Did it the other way round Jackal, had an FF, and also ran a well spec'd 5 series as a daily. Preferred being in the M5, comfort, tech, solid feel, much nicer place to be than the FF. Yes FF sounded great, but other than that I prefer my M5..it is a 30 jahre one with the carbon brakes & the akrap M exhaust, so it does stop & go well, sounds good too, but not in the FF catergory soundwise
But made the right choice, I think the M5 is a far better all round car, certainly nicer to be in
Very interesting Chris. Love all the alcantara in the Jahre, really sets it off. Would have thought the FF cabin would have been wonderful too though ?


I bought an M perf carbon rear spoiler for my car. Just need to figure out how to fit it. Might go for the carbon mirrors as well. Also Hayward and Scott are going to design and build me a set of rear pipes to improve the sound and they will be availble to all after that. Could be a very good cost effective solution.

IATM

3,948 posts

173 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Test drove a 2013 M6 almost one year back and to this day the feeling of relentless power has not left me.

Waiting for them to drop a little more and an M5/M6 will be mine.

I have a feeling the M5's are going to suddenly drop quite a bit and level off again around the 30-34k mark and again stay there and drop off to around 22-25k mark. Always the case with M cars.

Really a master piece of an engine and gearbox. The only paddle shift I have used that actually changes the gear quicker than I can blink and when I want it to. AMAZING!