Might be a daft question re small claims
Might be a daft question re small claims
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fridaypassion

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11,458 posts

259 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Can the small claims process be used business to business? Looks like we have our first none payer of an invoice for £700

Company we supplied OK before. For some reason bucked on this one!

R1 Indy

4,510 posts

214 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Yes you can, just be wary if it's a Ltd company and they go bust with no assets, you are very unlikely to get a penny back!!

fridaypassion

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11,458 posts

259 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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Unlikely they are a very well established and successful business. Not sure why we are having difficulty but I'm sure some court papers will sharpen them up.

bga

8,134 posts

282 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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fridaypassion said:
Unlikely they are a very well established and successful business. Not sure why we are having difficulty but I'm sure some court papers will sharpen them up.
We had to resort to that with a large food manufacturer. They paid up sharpish and surprisingly we are still working with them.

Simpo Two

93,053 posts

296 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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Did they say why they haven't paid it?

fridaypassion

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11,458 posts

259 months

Sunday 18th January 2015
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No just getting fobbed off and emails ignored. Given its a small world we operate in I find it pretty foolish of them. I would guess being winter they might be struggling financially. Seasonal business and all that.

Simpo Two

93,053 posts

296 months

Sunday 18th January 2015
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You could play telephone patacake with them for a bit and try to swap 'fobbed off' with 'why exactly have you not paid my bill?' and try to get some commitment.

If that doesn't work and you don't mind losing them as a customer, then consider starting the process. You can't go from unpaid invoice to summons, you have to give them adequate notice (eg a letter sent 'signed for' with a copy invoice and requesting payment within 14 days or you will 'regrettably' commence legal proceedings). If no money on day 14, issue summons - google 'moneyclaim online' and follow the instructions. They will either defend ('the job was crap so we're not paying'), or pay the bill, or do nothing and get a CCJ.

fridaypassion

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11,458 posts

259 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Will do exactly that today cheers

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

263 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I use the online court thing all the time for this purpose.
I don't go to anywhere near the lengths of sending a 14 days signed-for letter with copies of all the invoice and never once (out of perhaps 400 cases) has this caused in issue.
I simply send an email entitled "final notice" and put the salient information into the email and give them 7 days.
A solicitor might consider this slightly improper, but in the real world, they know they owe you the money and are simply not paying so what is the point in going to all that effort.

Mr Overheads

2,635 posts

207 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Just seen this post. I can recommend a solicitors firm where first couple of letters are only a few pounds per letter i.e. single figures and then costs only rise into the £10's of pounds to chase via court then HCEO Bailiffs etc. Have used them successfully a few times.

Slipperyfish

35 posts

142 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Doing this tomorrow once again. This time for twelve grand. 120 days & counting from a well financed business. I am fed up to the back teeth with late payers. I currently have over £50k beyond 60 days in my business and that is with a capable, full time credit controller.

Now I take no new work on over 45 days. There's plenty out there, I don't need the stress.

Simpo Two

93,053 posts

296 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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blindswelledrat said:
I don't go to anywhere near the lengths of sending a 14 days signed-for letter with copies of all the invoice and never once (out of perhaps 400 cases) has this caused in issue.
I simply send an email entitled "final notice" and put the salient information into the email and give them 7 days.
The only advantage is one of effect/perceived seriousnes. As for effort, generally the harder you fight the better your chances of winning.

Mr Overheads said:
to chase via court then HCEO Bailiffs etc.
Yes, he's just in range of the High Court (IIRC it starts at £650) but that's a final step not a first one.

Like a game of chess, you never know what's going to happen until you start smile

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

281 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Slipperyfish said:
Doing this tomorrow once again. This time for twelve grand. 120 days & counting from a well financed business. I am fed up to the back teeth with late payers. I currently have over £50k beyond 60 days in my business and that is with a capable, full time credit controller.

Now I take no new work on over 45 days. There's plenty out there, I don't need the stress.
For that sort of money, if they are Ltd Co, I'd send them notification of intention to petition the winding up of the company.

Frightens the crap out of them, and it's very easy to do wink

Slipperyfish

35 posts

142 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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You mean a statutory demand? We did that with a previous incarnation of this company when it was under different management. Certainly made them pay attention.

More fool me for believing in a new dawn, never again.

Cyberprog

2,326 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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  1. 1 You're entitled to a statutory late payment charge and interest. See www.payontime.co.uk for more info on this.
  1. 2 Issue a invoice for the late payment charge and invoice to date, and specify the daily interest accruing. Send to the client.
  1. 3 Touch base, confirm they have received the late payment invoice. Enquire as to when payment will be forthcoming.
  1. 4 Send a 14-day notice before action that if no payment is received then small claims court action will be issued.
  1. 5 Use www.moneyclaim.gov.uk to claim for the Invoice, Late Payment Invoice, and Interest at a daily rate.
  1. 6 Sit back, wait for the fireworks, see if they file a defence.
  1. 7 (Upon obtaining a judgement) Transfer up to High Court for enforcement.