Sport seats vs Light weight seats.

[cayman-black]

There are 17 V12VSs for sale only three have the LWS. All the others have the ones that tan your arse!
So there you have it sport seats are more popular, even if they are dangerous!

50% split on the manuals though.

Edited by cayman-black on Wednesday 4th February 20:13

[Phil74891]

cayman-black said:

There are 17 V12VSs for sale only three have the LWS. All the others have the ones that tan your arse!
So there you have it sport seats are more popular, even if they are dangerous!

50% split on the manuals though.

Edited by cayman-black on Wednesday 4th February 20:13

Sports seats are also GBP2.5k cheaper on a V12VS. LWs are significantly better to sit in though, and are presumably lighter

[Jon1967x]

Weren't lightweights always an expensive option?

Funny though, one of the downsides of the lightweights was some users had trouble changing gear, something that's not going to happen in the V12vs

[mikey k]

Jon1967x said:

Weren't lightweights always an expensive option?

Funny though, one of the downsides of the lightweights was some users had trouble changing gear, something that's not going to happen in the V12vs

Nope I paid £2.5k for my 3 (don't ask)
Dealers have quoted £11.5k to retrofit them

[Jon1967x]

mikey k said:

Jon1967x said:

Weren't lightweights always an expensive option?

Funny though, one of the downsides of the lightweights was some users had trouble changing gear, something that's not going to happen in the V12vs

Nope I paid £2.5k for my 3 (don't ask)
Dealers have quoted £11.5k to retrofit them

sounds more like a 'yep' than a 'nope' and you got a bargain. I could be tempted at that price

[mikey k]

Jon1967x said:

mikey k said:

Jon1967x said:

Weren't lightweights always an expensive option?

Funny though, one of the downsides of the lightweights was some users had trouble changing gear, something that's not going to happen in the V12vs

Nope I paid £2.5k for my 3 (don't ask)
Dealers have quoted £11.5k to retrofit them

sounds more like a 'yep' than a 'nope' and you got a bargain. I could be tempted at that price

OK Yep
They were a bargain at £2.5k
The down side was I had to order a brand new car to get them at that price

[AdamV12V]

cayman-black said:

There are 17 V12VSs for sale only three have the LWS. All the others have the ones that tan your arse!
So there you have it sport seats are more popular, even if they are dangerous!

50% split on the manuals though.

Or another way of looking at it could be that they are more in demand and most of the cars with them fitted have already sold!

Jon1967x said:

Funny though, one of the downsides of the lightweights was some users had trouble changing gear, something that's not going to happen in the V12vs

Only those people whose arms are so long that their knuckles drag on the floor!

[mikey k]

AdamV12V said:

Only those people whose arms are so long that their knuckles drag on the floor!

[cayman-black]

As for price i doubt it would bother those that want them .
The arguement from Adam about they could be more in demand, from what i see i dont think so.
In fact it shows that more people are happy to just have the standard seats!

[JACK6284]

When I drove the V12S that car had the lightweight seats and I liked them. When I bought my V12 Vantage it came with the sports seats and lots of other goodies that I like too. I would prefer the LW seats and I'm keeping my eyes open for some. In the meantime I'm using a "Stig" approved CG lock with my sports seats.

[jonby]

cayman-black said:

There are 17 V12VSs for sale only three have the LWS. All the others have the ones that tan your arse!
So there you have it sport seats are more popular, even if they are dangerous!

50% split on the manuals though.

Edited by cayman-black on Wednesday 4th February 20:13

What do you mean by 'the manuals' ? manual seats ?

As for seats in the cars for sale, it's fairly simple. Whilst it's getting better, most Astons sold in the UK are specced by dealers or factory, not customers. I bet a far higher proportion of customer specced cars have lightweights than those specced by dealers or the factory. But when a customer buys a car, if they aren't prepared to spend the huge amount extra for a customer spec car (understandably), they have to pick from what's available. Effectively nobody retrofits lightweights because you lose the 'allowance' that you get when speccing lightweights on a new car and the cost therefore simply can't be justified

In addition, whilst the above refers to Astons in general, it may be that V12VS has a lower proportion of LWS than V12V, as there are some people that have bought V12VS that wouldn't consider V12V, because V12VS is arguably more civilised/suitable as a DD than V12V.

[CSK1]

Can you develop your argument that a V12VS is more suitable as a daily driver than a V12? I wouldn't have thought because of the gearbox in slow moving traffic? Some say the V12 with the manual gearbox is better in everyday traffic than the Sportshift which comes into its own at full blast which isn't really the case everytime with a daily driver.

[jonby]

CSK1 said:

Can you develop your argument that a V12VS is more suitable as a daily driver than a V12? I wouldn't have thought because of the gearbox in slow moving traffic? Some say the V12 with the manual gearbox is better in everyday traffic than the Sportshift which comes into its own at full blast which isn't really the case everytime with a daily driver.

Well I'm not sure I totally agree, but I have a friend who had a V8 sportshift, wouldn't consider the V12V, but bought a V12VS when that came out

He uses the car as his daily/main transport

In auto mode, sportshift is a bit pants but in manual mode, with the further refinements of SSIII (such as hillhold working much better), it's fine for driving around town but doesn't require a clutch. It's also quite easy to over rev in town using the manual box

But also, the dampers mode - the general feel of V12V IMO (and I've driven best part of 20k miles in one), is that you always feel like you are driving an uncaged beast. I think the stiff suspension is part of that feel. My experience of V12VS was that with the softer suspension setting and the SSIII box, you can drive it round town without feeling you are in such an aggressive car, but let rip when the circumstances dictate

Having said all of that, I'd quite happily drive a V12V coupe as my DD if it wasn't for image/work. Roadster, purely because of rarity/value, not so much but that's purely about financials rather than being any less practical than the coupe

[cayman-black]

[quote=jonby]


What do you mean by 'the manuals' ? manual seats ?



Manual gearbox cars.

[Phil74891]

jonby said:

CSK1 said:

Can you develop your argument that a V12VS is more suitable as a daily driver than a V12? I wouldn't have thought because of the gearbox in slow moving traffic? Some say the V12 with the manual gearbox is better in everyday traffic than the Sportshift which comes into its own at full blast which isn't really the case everytime with a daily driver.

Well I'm not sure I totally agree, but I have a friend who had a V8 sportshift, wouldn't consider the V12V, but bought a V12VS when that came out

He uses the car as his daily/main transport

In auto mode, sportshift is a bit pants but in manual mode, with the further refinements of SSIII (such as hillhold working much better), it's fine for driving around town but doesn't require a clutch. It's also quite easy to over rev in town using the manual box

But also, the dampers mode - the general feel of V12V IMO (and I've driven best part of 20k miles in one), is that you always feel like you are driving an uncaged beast. I think the stiff suspension is part of that feel. My experience of V12VS was that with the softer suspension setting and the SSIII box, you can drive it round town without feeling you are in such an aggressive car, but let rip when the circumstances dictate

Having said all of that, I'd quite happily drive a V12V coupe as my DD if it wasn't for image/work. Roadster, purely because of rarity/value, not so much but that's purely about financials rather than being any less practical than the coupe

I went from a V8S to a V12S. Like above I didn't consider a V12V. I test drove one before I bought the V8S, and was clearly blown away with the extra torque etc, but not the gearbox, firm suspension or steering.

Then they launched the V12VS - which for me, fixed all the issues I didn't like about the V12V.

In normal mode it's extremely civilized and very easy to drive in all road conditions, including heavy traffic. Once you learn how to use SSIII, which doesn't take long, you can drive the car much smoother than one with a clutch pedal. (I tried 'D' once when in traffic on the M25. That lasted about 200 yards and I've never looked at the button since).

Then when you're in the mood, you press the 'S' button, put the suspension in Sport mode and you uncage the beast referenced above. It's an incredible car, so is the V12V of course, but the S is just more of everything.

[jonby]

cayman-black said:

jonby said:

What do you mean by 'the manuals' ? manual seats ?



Manual gearbox cars.

Thought you might, but then wasn't quite sure what point you were making as of course the gearbox is purely a function of whether it's V12V or V12VS. But wanted to check in case there was something I was missing :-)

[Jon1967x]

Phil74891 said:

I went from a V8S to a V12S. Like above I didn't consider a V12V. I test drove one before I bought the V8S, and was clearly blown away with the extra torque etc, but not the gearbox, firm suspension or steering.

Then they launched the V12VS - which for me, fixed all the issues I didn't like about the V12V.

In normal mode it's extremely civilized and very easy to drive in all road conditions, including heavy traffic. Once you learn how to use SSIII, which doesn't take long, you can drive the car much smoother than one with a clutch pedal. (I tried 'D' once when in traffic on the M25. That lasted about 200 yards and I've never looked at the button since).

Then when you're in the mood, you press the 'S' button, put the suspension in Sport mode and you uncage the beast referenced above. It's an incredible car, so is the V12V of course, but the S is just more of everything.

You thought the v12 suspension was firm so bought a v8s? I've not tried a v12 but my v8s is no magic carpet!

[Phil74891]

Jon1967x said:

Phil74891 said:

I went from a V8S to a V12S. Like above I didn't consider a V12V. I test drove one before I bought the V8S, and was clearly blown away with the extra torque etc, but not the gearbox, firm suspension or steering.

Then they launched the V12VS - which for me, fixed all the issues I didn't like about the V12V.

In normal mode it's extremely civilized and very easy to drive in all road conditions, including heavy traffic. Once you learn how to use SSIII, which doesn't take long, you can drive the car much smoother than one with a clutch pedal. (I tried 'D' once when in traffic on the M25. That lasted about 200 yards and I've never looked at the button since).

Then when you're in the mood, you press the 'S' button, put the suspension in Sport mode and you uncage the beast referenced above. It's an incredible car, so is the V12V of course, but the S is just more of everything.

You thought the v12 suspension was firm so bought a v8s? I've not tried a v12 but my v8s is no magic carpet!

Yeah, the V8S was firm, but not as firm as the V12. It was more the SS gearbox which swung it for me. Plus the available deal at the time. Then they went and launched the V12S.....