RE: Ford Focus RS - the inside line
RE: Ford Focus RS - the inside line
Thursday 5th February 2015

Ford Focus RS - the inside line

Ford development team explain all about the 4WD system and more



When we wrote the initial story about the new Focus RS, we only had a brief document from Ford to go on. Now we've been to the flashy unveil at Ford's factory in Cologne, watched Ken Block pirouette a prototype around the factory floor, seen the car and - crucially - spoken to the people who built it.

Cologne unveil was a big event
Cologne unveil was a big event
We had a LOT of questions, many related to the all-wheel drive system and its torque-vectoring cleverness.

To recap, the Mk3 Focus RS will be powered by a 2.3-litre turbocharged version of the Mustang engine (now making "well in excess of" 320hp, an upgrade from the original "more than") and channelled through a six-speed manual gearbox.

But it's this torque vectoring on the rear wheels that's behind the great leap forward over the Mk2 RS, Ford assures us. "It transforms this car into something that will stand out among the competition," Dave Pericak, the guy running the new all-encompassing Ford Performance department, told us.

Torque vectoring essentially helps the car round corners, and if you're understandably a bit hazy on how it does this, think of it like paddling a canoe (stay with us here). Many brands make a song and dance about torque vectoring but most of the time it's by braking. Which in canoeing terms is like turning your boat by paddling backwards on the side you want to turn - it gets you round but slows you down. Active (or dynamic in Ford speak) torque vectoring works by pushing more torque to the outside wheel, which in canoe-speak means paddling harder on the opposite side to the turn direction. You don't slow down.

Who wouldn't want a Block selfie?
Who wouldn't want a Block selfie?
This is rare and pretty smart of Ford. Because actually the AWD element isn't that exciting. It is after all that basically a Haldex-type system that is front-wheel drive in most situations. And if we are being honest it was crazy of us to expect anything else in a car with a transverse mounted engine, engineered in its cooking variety to be FWD and nothing else.

Yes, it can send 70 per cent of the power to the rear wheels but the trick bits are the two electronic clutches that can send 100 per cent of this to one wheel or the other, which is claimed not just to eliminate understeer into the corner but also improve lateral acceleration beyond 1g. Ford's head of global engineering, Raj Nair, explained it to us like this.

"With all-wheel drive the normal advantage is tremendous exit acceleration out of the last third of the corner, but sometimes you lose that crispness in the entry of the corner and when holding that speed at the apex," he said. "With torque vectoring we can really improve turn-in, and really improve that crispness to the apex. You also get this capability to actually drift the vehicle".

Mainly standard body keeps costs down
Mainly standard body keeps costs down
Some boasting here. Firstly the company that supplied the torque vectoring is British, GKN Driveline. British innovation at the heart of a global performance icon: gives us a warm glow. GKN also supplies BMW with its Dynamic Performance Control on the X5 M and X6 M and Pericak told us it's essentially the same thing here. And secondly we predicted Ford would use this GKN technology for the RS back in 2012 (even if we got the axle wrong).

Pericak assured us that power wouldn't just be sent to the back when the rear wheels lose grip. He also told us briefly about differing driving modes that tap into the torque vectoring as well as other parameters. "Depending on the modes the driver selects will depends on how much fun we want to give you," he said. "One mode will allow you to have quite a bit of fun with the car..." There's a Ford pdf explaining it all here.

Ford Performance's Dave Pericak
Ford Performance's Dave Pericak
We got blank smiles when asked about performance figures and price (all TBA we're told), but despite the trickery this is Ford we're talking about here so the price might not climb too far past £30,000. For a start the bonnet, the wings, the doors, the boot lid are all standard Focus parts. Only the bumpers and side skirts are new (and the rear wing obviously). If the standard body panels look more aggressive then it'll be the down to the depth 12-coat blue paint used that Ford is trying to productionise without needing quite so many coats.

We did discover that Ford will start selling this car by the end of this year, rather than next year as initially hinted at. We were also told the "burbles, pops and crackles" engine note promised won't be artificial. No one would boast it'll crack five seconds to 62mph, but you'd have to assume that was the goal.

The benchmark cars according to Pericak where the Subaru WRX, VW Golf R, Mercedes A45 AMG and the Mitsubishi Evo. Next to them the RS is going to "shine". "When you get out of this vehicle you're going to have the biggest smile on your face for the longest amount of time," he promises. Bagsie we go first.

Focus RS drivetrain explained (Ford official document)

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Krikkit

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27,938 posts

212 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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The more I see of this new-gen RS the more exciting it seems. It sounds like they've really gone to town on getting a Haldex-style system give maximum fun, and the engine sounds like it'll be rather meaty as well.

macky17

2,239 posts

220 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Sounds tremendous. I look forward to discovering what 'well above' 320bhp means as well. Coupled with a twin scroll turbo, the thing should really shift (weight depending...). Plus 5 doors and the comfort of switchable dampers - this is the first car in a while which might persuade me to go single car for the first time in years.

There will be a VW fan boy along in a minute to rubbish the styling and say how much better a Golf R is. (I drive an Edition 30 GTi but would take this RS over any Golf in a heartbeat).

Dave Hedgehog

16,370 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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the R golf, S3 and new RS3 torque vector wink


macky17

2,239 posts

220 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Dave Hedgehog said:
the R golf, S3 and new RS3 torque vector wink
Wow, impressive. That was seconds.

Dave Hedgehog

16,370 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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macky17 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
the R golf, S3 and new RS3 torque vector wink
Wow, impressive. That was seconds.
its a bit daft they are claiming TV as some new holy grail of cornering when the competitors are already selling it

and im not saying they are better (well the RS3 will be cause of the 5 pot but hugely expensive as well), i would certainly pick the RS over the S3 and R so ner tongue out


TobyLaRohne

5,793 posts

237 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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A new choice target for car thiefs everywhere, perfect for replacing the cossies of old. smile

Steven_RW

1,766 posts

233 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Quoting the article:

"Pericak assured us that power wouldn't just be sent to the back when the rear wheels lose grip."

Assuming that is a typo and that should say when the front wheels lose grip?

This should be a fun car :-)

RW


J4CKO

47,014 posts

231 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Anyone get the impression the power output isn't final as they haven't actually finished it yet ?


Jam12321

164 posts

141 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Dave Hedgehog said:
the R golf, S3 and new RS3 torque vector wink
Not the same, may be worth you reading the article again.

VW's system brakes the inside wheel, ford's puts more power to outside wheel.

Baryonyx

18,293 posts

190 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Volkswagen will be kicking themselves for not putting more effort into the Golf R. Sounds like Ford will really pull this one out of the hat.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

187 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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J4CKO said:
Anyone get the impression the power output isn't final as they haven't actually finished it yet ?
No, it's final.



Jam12321

164 posts

141 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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To recap, the Mk3 Focus RS will be powered by a 2.3-litre turbocharged version of the Mustang engine (now making "well in excess of" 320hp, an upgrade from the original "more than") and channelled through a six-speed manual gearbox.

So not final then.

Dave Hedgehog

16,370 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Jam12321 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
the R golf, S3 and new RS3 torque vector wink
Not the same, may be worth you reading the article again.

VW's system brakes the inside wheel, ford's puts more power to outside wheel.
tech is tech, the rider (unless a huge nurd bore) will not care what the car is doing only how it goes


Kawasicki

14,406 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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How does the system direct 70% of the torque to the rear? I thought it just used a clutch to join both front and rear axles, isn't that a maximum of 50% to the rear?

Dave Hedgehog

16,370 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Jam12321 said:
To recap, the Mk3 Focus RS will be powered by a 2.3-litre turbocharged version of the Mustang engine (now making "well in excess of" 320hp, an upgrade from the original "more than") and channelled through a six-speed manual gearbox.

So not final then.
i think they have finalised it but are "baiting" everybody before they make the figures official


Podie

46,649 posts

306 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Dave Hedgehog said:
its a bit daft they are claiming TV as some new holy grail of cornering when the competitors are already selling it
Works for Apple... hehe

iloveboost

1,531 posts

193 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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After reading the technical stuff it should be as fast as the Evo X, or faster. It's also probably a better car overall. It seems to use the similar diff technology to what Mitsubishi call 'AYC', and I'm really really surprised that it's AWD.

Jam12321

164 posts

141 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Dave Hedgehog said:
tech is tech, the rider (unless a huge nurd bore) will not care what the car is doing only how it goes
Give it up bud, your embarrassing yourself with crap like that... If that's what you think then why join the discussion?

and they may be 'baiting' us with the BHP amount. Without a confirmation its not final - simple.

Dave Hedgehog

16,370 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Jam12321 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
tech is tech, the rider (unless a huge nurd bore) will not care what the car is doing only how it goes
Give it up bud, your embarrassing yourself with crap like that... If that's what you think then why join the discussion?

and they may be 'baiting' us with the BHP amount. Without a confirmation its not final - simple.
poor trolling, try harder smile

Jam12321

164 posts

141 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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meh, won't reply to your rubbish again then.