Road Policing a Priority
Discussion
According to the DFT, it will be!
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_033749.pdf
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_033749.pdf
Got as far as "road behavior is a social issue" and stopped reading.
It's worded in the same manner as the home office's consultation on firearms that states it's aims to cut down on gun crime then goes on to recommend even more stringent controlls on LEGALLY held firearms.
Shite political speak for politicians who CANNOT or WILLNOT address the true problems.
MoJo.
It's worded in the same manner as the home office's consultation on firearms that states it's aims to cut down on gun crime then goes on to recommend even more stringent controlls on LEGALLY held firearms.
Shite political speak for politicians who CANNOT or WILLNOT address the true problems.
MoJo.
autismuk said:
This kind of unhelpful comment is the kind of thing that led to 9/11.
Not at all. Terrorism, safety, think-of-the-children are all unchallengeable taboos which these parasitic empire builders use to their fullest advantage.
The 9/11 terrorists would never have been caught by 'proactive road policing' or any of these other initiaves whose real aim is to tighten the grip on the average citizen
DFT said:
Effective policing of the roads is therefore an important and visible element in the
police's commitment to protect the public, maintain safe communities, maintain and
strengthen civil society, and support law-abiding citizens' confidence that the law is being
upheld. my emphasis
Increased public confidence?!! The BiB aren't there as a bloody PR exercise they're there because the roads need to be policed by living, breathing thinking police officers and because they work! No wonder the plods on the beat despair at the people in power!
gone said:
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
You see to my mind anyone driving over the speed limit where that speed is not appropriate is driving dangerously, in exactly the same way that anyone driving at a speed under the speed limit which is inappropriate is also driving dangerously, but we only hear about the former when we (I) see far more of the latter.
gone said:
So speeding is more dangerous than dangerous driving
Quite possibly!
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
Must be driving automatics then
gone said:
So speeding is more dangerous than dangerous driving
Quite possibly!
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense, and up to your usual sparkling literary standard I see.
Dangerous driving is a term that encapsultes a number of actions whilst in control of a vehicle that result in the driver either deliberately or carelessly risking collision or aggressively threatening other road users by those actions.
The speed of a vehicle is a non constant, and by necessity has to be regulated and relative to the skills of the driver, his environment and the capability of the vehicle.
There are numerous examples of dangerous driving to be seen on a daily basis all over this country, a vast amount of which are perpetrated within the speed limits.
Most of this kind of driving is due to ignorance and appalling driver education, NOT speed.
Some of the fastest drivers in the country are the most highly trained; the Traffic Police.
You're answer lies in your occupation Gone; train drivers and erradicate dangerous driving.
IOLAIRE said:
gone said:
...some stuff...
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense, and up to your usual sparkling literary standard I see.
Dangerous driving is a term that encapsultes a number of actions whilst in control of a vehicle that result in the driver either deliberately or carelessly risking collision or aggressively threatening other road users by those actions.
The speed of a vehicle is a non constant, and by necessity has to be regulated and relative to the skills of the driver, his environment and the capability of the vehicle.
There are numerous examples of dangerous driving to be seen on a daily basis all over this country, a vast amount of which are perpetrated within the speed limits.
Most of this kind of driving is due to ignorance and appalling driver education, NOT speed.
Some of the fastest drivers in the country are the most highly trained; the Traffic Police.
You're answer lies in your occupation Gone; train drivers and erradicate dangerous driving.
"encapsulates" and "eradicate", surely...?
Oh, and of course "Your" answer, not "You're" answer...
again... >> Edited by Dibble on Tuesday 11th January 23:27
Dibble said:
gone said:
...some stuff...
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense, and up to your usual sparkling literary standard I see.
Dangerous driving is a term that encapsultes a number of actions whilst in control of a vehicle that result in the driver either deliberately or carelessly risking collision or aggressively threatening other road users by those actions.
The speed of a vehicle is a non constant, and by necessity has to be regulated and relative to the skills of the driver, his environment and the capability of the vehicle.
There are numerous examples of dangerous driving to be seen on a daily basis all over this country, a vast amount of which are perpetrated within the speed limits.
Most of this kind of driving is due to ignorance and appalling driver education, NOT speed.
Some of the fastest drivers in the country are the most highly trained; the Traffic Police.
You're answer lies in your occupation Gone; train drivers and erradicate dangerous driving.
"encapsulates" and "eradicate", surely...?
Oh, and of course "Your" answer, not "You're" answer...
>> Edited by Dibble on Tuesday 11th January 23:27
This must be some sort of infection amongst the BiB.
I have a lot of time for you Dibble, please don't turn into another Gone.
Do you want to make a relative point on this or remark on a spelling error?
I have done something like 14 hours a day for the past ten days and I'm seriously beat right now, that's the only reason the spelling errors are there.
I just had to comment on this post before going to bed because it was just so completely out of order.
gopher said:
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
You see to my mind anyone driving over the speed limit where that speed is not appropriate is driving dangerously, in exactly the same way that anyone driving at a speed under the speed limit which is inappropriate is also driving dangerously, but we only hear about the former when we (I) see far more of the latter.
I was behind some twat on the M42 this evening in lane 3 doing 55mph with nobody in front of him in 70mph limit ( what a surprise).
He had no intention of pulling over to let me past so I was forced to undertake by moving to lane 1 to allow plenty of room for the numpty if he decided to pull into middle lane, which he finally did after I had got past the numpty.
A bit too blimin late now ! It's people like this numpty that cause others to take risks
IOLAIRE said:
This must be some sort of infection amongst the BiB.
No, I was pedantic about spelling and grammar long before I became a Police Officer; I like to get all my facts right, which is why I never report anyone for anything, unless I'm 100% sure they've done it.
IOLAIRE said:
I have a lot of time for you Dibble, please don't turn into another Gone.
I don't think I could improve that much.
IOLAIRE said:
Do you want to make a relative point on this or remark on a spelling error?
See above regarding my pedantry.
IOLAIRE said:
I have done something like 14 hours a day for the past ten days and I'm seriously beat right now, that's the only reason the spelling errors are there.
I just had to comment on this post before going to bed because it was just so completely out of order.
There were smileys in my post...
>> Edited by Dibble on Tuesday 11th January 23:44
I think the point being made is that excess speed for the conditions may be more of a cause than dangerous driving.
I know you guys think that excess speed for the conditons and vehicle etc may well be dangerous, but legally i believe that the standard of driving overall must fall far below that expected of a carefull and compitant driver. This takes into accound speed and driver behaviour, as say 100 in a straight line on a motorway may not be dangerous, but 100 on a motorway weaving in and out of traffic could be classed as dangerous.
Dont confuse what people class as dangerous as to what the law classes as dangerous. As they are often different.
Proactive (Unmarked) roads policing needs to be made more of a priority as with regards to terrorism we recieve info as to what vehicle may be doing what, and its the proactive units that spot these cars. They also spot uninsured motors and your average boy racer pissing around, as when they see marked units they suddenly drive all sensible. They are also the ones that are more likely to catch criminals as they are quick, and unmarked. And lets face it if you have done something and see a marked car, you dive out of the way as they see you before you see them, but unmarked you get to spot them while they are looking for the cars with the light pods on top!
I know you guys think that excess speed for the conditons and vehicle etc may well be dangerous, but legally i believe that the standard of driving overall must fall far below that expected of a carefull and compitant driver. This takes into accound speed and driver behaviour, as say 100 in a straight line on a motorway may not be dangerous, but 100 on a motorway weaving in and out of traffic could be classed as dangerous.
Dont confuse what people class as dangerous as to what the law classes as dangerous. As they are often different.
Proactive (Unmarked) roads policing needs to be made more of a priority as with regards to terrorism we recieve info as to what vehicle may be doing what, and its the proactive units that spot these cars. They also spot uninsured motors and your average boy racer pissing around, as when they see marked units they suddenly drive all sensible. They are also the ones that are more likely to catch criminals as they are quick, and unmarked. And lets face it if you have done something and see a marked car, you dive out of the way as they see you before you see them, but unmarked you get to spot them while they are looking for the cars with the light pods on top!
Richard C said:
This kind of unhelpful comment is the kind of thing that led to 9/11.
Not at all. Terrorism, safety, think-of-the-children are all unchallengeable taboos which these parasitic empire builders use to their fullest advantage.
The 9/11 terrorists would never have been caught by 'proactive road policing' or any of these other initiaves whose real aim is to tighten the grip on the average citizen
You have no proof of this. It therefore follows that you are not only a terrorist but a paedophile.
Anyone who challenges speed cameras must logically support breaking the law, which logically means they must support child abuse, and so logically they must commit it.
I have it on good authority that Osama Bin Laden once got a ticket for speeding. Therefore if you break the speed limit you are JUST LIKE HIM.
You are (seriously) bang on. I work in the "think of the children" industry.
It is basically a given that anyone who says anything like "we did this because of the children" is a liar.
IOLAIRE said:
gone said:
BliarOut said:
So speeding is more dangerous than dangerous driving
Quite possibly!
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
IOLAIRE said:
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense, and up to your usual sparkling literary standard I see.
Punctuation?
Grammer?
Construction?
Which IOLAIRE? I would be interested to know
IOLAIRE said:
Dangerous driving is a term that encapsultes a number of actions whilst in control of a vehicle that result in the driver either deliberately or carelessly risking collision or aggressively threatening other road users by those actions.
Yeah right
It would appear that you know nothing about dangerous driving offences from that statement alone!
One action can constitute dangerous driving. Here's a hint IOLAIRE
Use google (like you did to find out about corruption. You put in DANGEROUS DRIVING and click the search button 
)to find out the definition of dangerous driving, you will find it under section 2 RTA 1988!!! [quote=IOLAIRE}
The speed of a vehicle is a non constant, and by necessity has to be regulated and relative to the skills of the driver, his environment and the capability of the vehicle.
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And they are all conciencious skillful people with only driving to the very best standards ALL THE TIME they are behind the wheel
[quote=IOLAIRE]
There are numerous examples of dangerous driving to be seen on a daily basis all over this country, a vast amount of which are perpetrated within the speed limits.
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For once you have stated something that is actually right
[quote=IOLAIRE]
Most of this kind of driving is due to ignorance and appalling driver education, NOT speed.
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You said it! And from your vast experience in defending driving offences, you will remember that the standards to prove dangerous are as easy as they are to prove Careless
[quote=IOLAIRE]
Some of the fastest drivers in the country are the most highly trained; the Traffic Police.
You're answer lies in your occupation Gone; train drivers and erradicate dangerous driving.[/quote]
Driving fast under Police systems and within the guidelines is dangerous .The training helps to illiminate some of the risks involved but never all of them! If everyone else on the road drove to those standards, there may be an improvement if the speed limits were generally adhered to. Many people who aspire to take on training to bring them up to Advanced Class 1 standard would not manage it. Quite a few within the Police have that problem when they apply for the job
So. Speeding whilst not concentrating is more probably dangerous than the limited amounts of 'Dangerous driving' that occur.
If as you state there are so many instances of 'dangerous driving' every day, then that should be a bench mark to prove that the limits need to be reduced and not increased or even remain the same, as there is so much potential for collisions as a result!
>> Edited by gone on Wednesday 12th January 09:10
gone said:
So speeding is more dangerous than dangerous driving
Quite possibly!
The number of occasions of blatent dangerous driving are small compared to the number of people flinging themselves around at higher speeds with their thumbs up their arses!
Surely thats dangerous driving
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