Car Tax arrangements on private car sale
Discussion
I understand the new arrangements mean that the seller must obtain a refund now so the buyer has to tax from day 1.
But how does this work in practice, particularly bearing in mind the seller only gets a refund for the following month onward and the buyer has to tax from the beginning of the month (so more tax for the government)?
If I go to see a car and agree to take it away, along with a part of the V5, leaving the bulk of it behind for the seller to send off, have I now become the registered keeper? More importantly, can I drive it home legally without dealing with the tax?
It seems unfair not to have all of the rest of the month to deal with the tax situation bearing in mind the double tax situation for that month.
But how does this work in practice, particularly bearing in mind the seller only gets a refund for the following month onward and the buyer has to tax from the beginning of the month (so more tax for the government)?
If I go to see a car and agree to take it away, along with a part of the V5, leaving the bulk of it behind for the seller to send off, have I now become the registered keeper? More importantly, can I drive it home legally without dealing with the tax?
It seems unfair not to have all of the rest of the month to deal with the tax situation bearing in mind the double tax situation for that month.
I'm explaining that the DVLA won't know about the transfer until they get the V5, what you take that to mean is up to you 
eybic said:
The theory is that you need to tax it either online or by phone before you drive it away. The reality is that the DVLA systems won't know you've bought the car until they get the V5 back.
I agree. It is the Registered Keeper who is responsible for VED not the owner. You don't become the RK until the V5C is processed by the DVLA and the change of keeper is registered 
speedking31 said:
eybic said:
The theory is that you need to tax it either online or by phone before you drive it away. The reality is that the DVLA systems won't know you've bought the car until they get the V5 back.
I agree. It is the Registered Keeper who is responsible for VED not the owner. You don't become the RK until the V5C is processed by the DVLA and the change of keeper is registered New tax laws are so punitive that I don't even own my Daily Driver, it still belongs to another member of the family until the tax runs out. My insurance company were fine with it.
playing a bit of cynism here...
whats to say the DVLA aren't going to start cross checking records and issuing speculative fines based on the tax not being purchased or SORN registered within 1 day of the signed date of transfer.
I don't think we are in that world but i believe they could legaly.
whats to say the DVLA aren't going to start cross checking records and issuing speculative fines based on the tax not being purchased or SORN registered within 1 day of the signed date of transfer.
I don't think we are in that world but i believe they could legaly.
JB! said:
£42 for what?
The whole VED system is balls. Just scrap it and put a couple of PP/L on fuel.
Now what are you going on about? Firstly you said you don't own your car and won't until the tax runs out. That suggests you're trying to ensure you don't have a month where you pay double tax. The worst case scenario for that is £42The whole VED system is balls. Just scrap it and put a couple of PP/L on fuel.
The other idea of adding a couple of pence (plus VAT) to petrol is incredible in its naïveté. any move like that would still mean the same amount of money had to be generated so some will pay more, some less and some the same but there is no chance that everyone will pay less.
LoonR1 said:
JB! said:
£42 for what?
The whole VED system is balls. Just scrap it and put a couple of PP/L on fuel.
Now what are you going on about? Firstly you said you don't own your car and won't until the tax runs out. That suggests you're trying to ensure you don't have a month where you pay double tax. The worst case scenario for that is £42The whole VED system is balls. Just scrap it and put a couple of PP/L on fuel.
The other idea of adding a couple of pence (plus VAT) to petrol is incredible in its naïveté. any move like that would still mean the same amount of money had to be generated so some will pay more, some less and some the same but there is no chance that everyone will pay less.
Its a brilliant idea, those who use no fuel through driving no miles pay no tax...
OK, much food for thought. Thanks all.
I am aiming to take off in the car and get my passenger to use DVLA phone line or even internet on his smart phone to purchase the tax properly. But I was concerned about not getting a signal or the phone dying, etc. Seems that there is little risk in having to wait until I get home, or even within a couple of days.
I am aiming to take off in the car and get my passenger to use DVLA phone line or even internet on his smart phone to purchase the tax properly. But I was concerned about not getting a signal or the phone dying, etc. Seems that there is little risk in having to wait until I get home, or even within a couple of days.
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