DSG - manual mode
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Recently I took a test drive in a DSG equipped Golf. I read a lot of positive stuff about that transmission, but to be honest I wasnt impressed.The thing that annoyed me the most, was the lack of real manual mode. Even with manual selected, the box would still change gears by itself... Is there a way to override it?
TIA,
Michal
TIA,
Michal
Edited by MichalPH on Thursday 12th March 22:32
Not that I'm aware of. It's worst in lower gears in manual, but those are perhaps where auto is best anyway, in traffic for example.
It's not great in manual, but if you want that, then get a manual.
I really like my dsg and probably wouldn't go back to manual now unless it was for a sporty car that really warranted a manual
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It's not great in manual, but if you want that, then get a manual.
I really like my dsg and probably wouldn't go back to manual now unless it was for a sporty car that really warranted a manual
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Edited by covmutley on Thursday 12th March 22:44
My Mondeo has a Powershift gearbox, which works just like a DSG box. If I flick it over to manual mode, it'll hold whatever gear I select unless I slow the car down to pretty much a standstill. It'll even bounce off the rev limiter.
Does DSG not work in the same way in manual override mode?
Does DSG not work in the same way in manual override mode?
The Audi S4 box is the same, but unlike the Golf they no longer offer a Manual option, as the auto helps them with the emissions rating.
It was a compromise, that I wish I didnt have to make.
There is another thread on here, where people are raving about modern auto boxes, and flappy paddle changes, justifying it by saying tha Ferrrari etc, have them.
I think they are either just in love with the idea of paddles, only do flat out driving/trackdays, or they have never really driven a manual car fast around winding roads.
It was a compromise, that I wish I didnt have to make.
There is another thread on here, where people are raving about modern auto boxes, and flappy paddle changes, justifying it by saying tha Ferrrari etc, have them.
I think they are either just in love with the idea of paddles, only do flat out driving/trackdays, or they have never really driven a manual car fast around winding roads.
MichalPH said:
Why doesnt anyone mention that in the reviews? I would be pi**** if I bougt a car like Golf R or Leon Cupra and on my first drive notice I cant downshift when I want to...
That's what a test drive is for. Having driven a skoda Fabia with DSG gearbox I was sold, however I'm currently not after a new car but I think when I do I'll go for a DSG or similar equipped car for 99% of most people's driving they will be perfect for the task.
MichalPH said:
In the one I drove, You could select manual, but when pushed it would still have a mind of its own. I thought it should work like a sequential box in that mode.
Are you sure you had the DSG stick over to the left? It is almost fully sequential then, it'll only upshift if it redlines and downshift if the engine really starts to labour badly.If you just use paddles in D or S it will change back to fully auto after about 5 secs.
I barely ever use either to be honest!
zed4 said:
Of course it will downshift on its own, otherwise you could labour the engine and it would stall if you forgot to downchange. It won’t upchange automatically though, so I don’t really see what the problem is.
Yea they do. They shift automatically at about 7000rpm. The only way to stop it doing that is the have the dsg box remapped. That removes auto up shift and also the kickdown in manual mode
rich83 said:
zed4 said:
Of course it will downshift on its own, otherwise you could labour the engine and it would stall if you forgot to downchange. It won’t upchange automatically though, so I don’t really see what the problem is.
Yea they do. They shift automatically at about 7000rpm. The only way to stop it doing that is the have the dsg box remapped. That removes auto up shift and also the kickdown in manual mode
MichalPH said:
Recently I took a test drive in a DSG equipped Golf. I read a lot of positive stuff about that transmission, but to be honest I wasnt impressed.The thing that annoyed me the most, was the lack of real manual mode. Even with manual selected, the box would still change gears by itself... Is there a way to override it?
TIA,
Michal
No, unfortunaly you cannot override the automatic upshifts or the annoying kickdown when you depress the accelerator fully.TIA,
Michal
Edited by MichalPH on Thursday 12th March 22:32
DLovett said:
No, unfortunaly you cannot override the automatic upshifts or the annoying kickdown when you depress the accelerator fully.
never had any of our DSG cars kick down in manual gear, they wont let your stall / labour the engine and most change on the red line (RS's don't) but you just plan ahead and short shift if you need to hold the car on the revs on a corner (which you have to do on some corners in manual cars anyway)the main thing to remember is that VAG duel clutch systems learn the driver and change how long it holds onto gears etc
I don't remember my Fabia vRS doing too much by itself in manual mode.
If you're slowing and not downshifting it will do it for you to avoid engine revs dropping too low. It might have upshifted if you were bouncing off the limiter, but I remember hitting it a few times without it shifting for me. And it wouldn't allow downshifts that would put the engine revs too high.
There's quite a few variants of DSG though spanning 10+ years so maybe they don't all behave like that.
If you're slowing and not downshifting it will do it for you to avoid engine revs dropping too low. It might have upshifted if you were bouncing off the limiter, but I remember hitting it a few times without it shifting for me. And it wouldn't allow downshifts that would put the engine revs too high.
There's quite a few variants of DSG though spanning 10+ years so maybe they don't all behave like that.
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