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Remember all those people who took photographs of illegally parked camera vans and caused the safety partnerships a problem into the legal siting of those vehicles whilst checking speeding motorists?
The Answer.
From local paper this Friday.
'A Motorbike fitted with a speed camera is hitting the road this week to tackle speeding drivers in the region.
A Honda Deauville motorbike has fully fitted with laser technology to detect speeds at a total cost of £24000. It will be used to carry out speed checks at sites previously visited by camera vans such as.......
....Bikes offer a more flexible alternative to vans, which have caused problems with parking in the past.
The initiative has been introduced by Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership. Set up in 2000, the partnership is made up representatives from the Police, borough and county councils, CPS, magistrates courts and the highways agency, who work together to try to reduce the number of people being killed or seriously injured on the road.
Dan Campsall of Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership said " There are crash hotspots that we are sometimes unable to address because up until now we haven't had the right tool for the job. We are looking forward to safer roads and safer communities where this new bike is used."
So. In true 'Chris Tarrant' style. Those that so ardously attacked the placing of camera vans for enforcement, "WELL DONE EVERYBODY!".
The vans will slowly be replaced with motorbikes. Thought we had a sporting chance? Not any more we don't
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>>> Edited by gone on Sunday 16th January 14:27
The Answer.
From local paper this Friday.
'A Motorbike fitted with a speed camera is hitting the road this week to tackle speeding drivers in the region.
A Honda Deauville motorbike has fully fitted with laser technology to detect speeds at a total cost of £24000. It will be used to carry out speed checks at sites previously visited by camera vans such as.......
....Bikes offer a more flexible alternative to vans, which have caused problems with parking in the past.
The initiative has been introduced by Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership. Set up in 2000, the partnership is made up representatives from the Police, borough and county councils, CPS, magistrates courts and the highways agency, who work together to try to reduce the number of people being killed or seriously injured on the road.
Dan Campsall of Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership said " There are crash hotspots that we are sometimes unable to address because up until now we haven't had the right tool for the job. We are looking forward to safer roads and safer communities where this new bike is used."
So. In true 'Chris Tarrant' style. Those that so ardously attacked the placing of camera vans for enforcement, "WELL DONE EVERYBODY!".
The vans will slowly be replaced with motorbikes. Thought we had a sporting chance? Not any more we don't
! >>> Edited by gone on Sunday 16th January 14:27
IMO some forces already had motorbikes (with cameras) to give them a chance of catching up with speeding bikers, I know they do/did in North Yorkshire. They used to have an Impreza Turbo unmarked car but that never stood a chance of catching a bike once it had overtaken a few cars!!
It's definitely a kick in the goolies for motorists though, again
It's definitely a kick in the goolies for motorists though, again
v15ben said:
IMO some forces already had motorbikes (with cameras) to give them a chance of catching up with speeding bikers, I know they do/did in North Yorkshire. They used to have an Impreza Turbo unmarked car but that never stood a chance of catching a bike once it had overtaken a few cars!!
It's definitely a kick in the goolies for motorists though, again
This is not a motorcylce fitted with an autovision system connected to a Vascar head. This is the real thing. Laser guided technology to replace the vans because.
1. It is cheaper
2. They are more difficult to see and react to.
3. They can park in places the vans could not.
Other partnerships may have them already. This is the first in the Thames Valley area.
The real reason these have been introduced is due to the new 'super-busses' in Reading. They found that they couldn't get in and out of the bus stops when the vans were parked in them (with the council and bus company permission...).
So we now have an invisible motorbike instead - better excuse for when you hit them
Also I can't see them being out and about in rain, frost and hot weather now - so maybe a small victory
So we now have an invisible motorbike instead - better excuse for when you hit them
Also I can't see them being out and about in rain, frost and hot weather now - so maybe a small victory
This is a bit ho-hum, though, MC.
After all - the old hairdryer is a hand-held device. An operator could reach their detection location by putting it on a rucksack and hiking easily enough...
No amount of practicalities affect the core argument - which is "Are the locations where speed detection is carried out areas where speed is the single overriding factor in a statistically significant number of accidents at that PRECISE location or not?"
The answer would appear all too often to be NOT. Although one should not rule out the possibility that, on occasion, such enforcement does actually happen at worthwhile locations.
The more overt and easily explicable enforcement is the more likely the general public will be to accept it as being a good idea. Where it is not possible to rationally explain why enforcement in a precise location is necessary the public naturally come to the conclusion that such activity is not to do with safety.
The Scamera Partnerships will not win hearts and minds with covert detection. What is a shame is that the SCPs could be making a positive difference to road safety. It would appear, to a layman such as myself, that today they are not doing so. In fact - they simply collect revenue.
After all - the old hairdryer is a hand-held device. An operator could reach their detection location by putting it on a rucksack and hiking easily enough...
No amount of practicalities affect the core argument - which is "Are the locations where speed detection is carried out areas where speed is the single overriding factor in a statistically significant number of accidents at that PRECISE location or not?"
The answer would appear all too often to be NOT. Although one should not rule out the possibility that, on occasion, such enforcement does actually happen at worthwhile locations.
The more overt and easily explicable enforcement is the more likely the general public will be to accept it as being a good idea. Where it is not possible to rationally explain why enforcement in a precise location is necessary the public naturally come to the conclusion that such activity is not to do with safety.
The Scamera Partnerships will not win hearts and minds with covert detection. What is a shame is that the SCPs could be making a positive difference to road safety. It would appear, to a layman such as myself, that today they are not doing so. In fact - they simply collect revenue.
Gone,s local Rag Report, is the Milton Keynes Example.Brought in to give some training, prior to the NEW 20MPH Cuts on the NSL Dual and single roads.A pretend "Lets Have your views Taxpayers" poll showing 95% against ANY reduction, is ignored.MoTown is the one place where traffic flows, Drivers mostly behave, and KSI is Very low--apart from the Drug+++ and drink accidents.So , Scams will follow shortly.
v15ben said:
IMO some forces already had motorbikes (with cameras) to give them a chance of catching up with speeding bikers, I know they do/did in North Yorkshire. They used to have an Impreza Turbo unmarked car but that never stood a chance of catching a bike once it had overtaken a few cars!!
It's definitely a kick in the goolies for motorists though, again
Hmm, X 472 ?UB ? I have a video tape of a TV programme which showed a North Yorkshire Police car with a number something like that. Doing 117 mph on the A59 in pursuit of some bikers travelling towards Harrogate in the Blubberhouses area. Police driver's name was John...
I'll see if I can find the tape again.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Pies said:
And in the depths of winter there is no nice warm car to sit in when its pi55ing down or blowing a nice easterly breeze 
Exactly what I was thinking. Operators won't be too keen to hang around in the depths of winter or in the height of summer wearing leathers will they? Are civillian operators likely to be using bikes?
Anyhow, van or bike...jammer works just as well on either
MR2Mike said:
Exactly what I was thinking. Operators won't be too keen to hang around in the depths of winter or in the height of summer wearing leathers will they? Are civillian operators likely to be using bikes?
Anyhow, van or bike...jammer works just as well on either
I would have thought a Jammer might be more effective against a hand held, also be more difficult to write down info like reg plates (of bikes lasered from the front or vehicles that 'jam' etc) if his hands are tied up holding the Scam-Cam and if he holds it like that for more than an hour or so he'll get a cramp in his arm.
Anyway may the RF emission turn him into a 'jaffa' so he can't breed any more Scammers
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