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IanMorewood

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4,309 posts

277 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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On BBC4 now, Tracey Curtis Taylor flys her Boeing Stearman on a trip from Cape town to London following the route of Mary Heath. Worth catching on IPlayer.

Steve_W

1,569 posts

206 months

Wednesday 18th March 2015
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Watched this last night and enjoyed it, although a tad disappointed they didn't show any of the flight within mainland Europe. Open cockpit in December from Crete to UK must have been a tad chilly!

Quite lucky the engine misfire showed up when it did too, wouldn't have been fun over the Med.

droopsnoot

14,622 posts

271 months

Thursday 17th March 2016
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This was on BBC4 last week (or possibly the week before), very interesting but I'd agree it was a bit frustrating that the whole trip across Europe was missed out. Maybe would have been better as a 2-parter.

ecsrobin

18,642 posts

194 months

Thursday 17th March 2016
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Was her writing off a helicopter at Goodwood prior to the start covered?

Crush

15,078 posts

198 months

Thursday 17th March 2016
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ecsrobin said:
Was her writing off a helicopter at Goodwood prior to the start covered?
Or the flight instructor spending most of the 'solo' in the front seat? hehe

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Thursday 17th March 2016
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droopsnoot said:
very interesting but I'd agree it was a bit frustrating that the whole trip across Europe was missed out.
It did end very suddenly, almost as if something went wrong with the production. Money ran out? Cameraman got sick?

droopsnoot

14,622 posts

271 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Crush said:
ecsrobin said:
Was her writing off a helicopter at Goodwood prior to the start covered?
Or the flight instructor spending most of the 'solo' in the front seat? hehe
Funnily enough neither of those things came up. I did wonder how the support team managed to get around, but then obviously there was at least one other plane to film her from.

ecsrobin

18,642 posts

194 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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droopsnoot said:
Crush said:
ecsrobin said:
Was her writing off a helicopter at Goodwood prior to the start covered?
Or the flight instructor spending most of the 'solo' in the front seat? hehe
Funnily enough neither of those things came up. I did wonder how the support team managed to get around, but then obviously there was at least one other plane to film her from.

JeremyH5

1,834 posts

164 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Oh bugger

Pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor Crashes In Desert
http://news.sky.com/story/1697013/pilot-tracey-cur...

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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'high density altitude'?

JeremyH5

1,834 posts

164 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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I wondered about that, someone will be along soon to enlighten us.

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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'Ms Curtis-Taylor... blamed high density altitude and a partial loss of power for the crash'

Ms Curtis-Taylor... failed to realise that the combination of altitude and heat meant her engine would develop insufficient power to climb.



There was a great documentary about a Catalina flying the old Empire route down to South Africa. They landed on a high altitude lake but couldn't get off again. They had to offload the filmcrew and pick them up elsewhere!

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

213 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Density Altitude is the result of the relationship between altitude, temperature, and air density.

At increased Density Altitudes the air is effectively 'thinner', ergo wings produce less lift, engines produce less thrust.

Also, for a given IAS (Indicated Airspeed) the TAS (True Airspeed) is commensurately higher. Thus the momentum is higher.

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
At increased Density Altitudes the air is effectively 'thinner', ergo wings produce less lift, engines produce less thrust.
No doubt you're right but 'increased density' of what exactly? 'Thinner' = less dense surely?

Jollyclub

1,905 posts

275 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Simpo Two said:
No doubt you're right but 'increased density' of what exactly? 'Thinner' = less dense surely?
Your quote has missed out the operative word. Altitude.. Increased density altitude = higher.

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Ah I see. Increased density altitude = less dense.

More = less. Excellent!

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

213 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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OK let me try to simplify.

As Altitude increases air gets less dense although the decrease in density will be affected by surface level pressure.

This gives you something called pressure altitude.



However, as air gets hotter it gets less dense, independant of the pressure altitude.



Ergo, in order to take account of the relationship between pressure and altitude and between temperature and air density we can calculate Density Altitude.

An increased Density Altitude refers to the decrease in air density caused by either/or an increase in altitude, decrease in pressure, increase in temperature. nie an increase in Density Altitude is referring to an increase in equivalent altitude but also taking temperature into account.

Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 17th May 13:49

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Yep, adding the word 'altitude' inverts it.

It seems very poor terminology to me; I bet Lindbergh just stuck his finger in the air smile

JeremyH5

1,834 posts

164 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Simpo Two said:
Yep, adding the word 'altitude' inverts it.

It seems very poor terminology to me; I bet Lindbergh just stuck his finger in the air smile
It sounds like you may be mixing up "relative" density with "increasing" density.

S3_Graham

12,835 posts

228 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Pretty sad news. Met her at work before her Australia trip last year and she seemed really nice. Very chatty and happy to let us look around the aircraft.