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Dear All,
I've just found an excellent photo hosting service. $30 a year, dead easy to upload to, simple straight forward management of photos and albums. Highly recomended.
Smugmug is the name. Some pics of M12 PRC on there and will be added to as things develop.
http://paulcundy.smugmug.com/gallery/359222
Regards
Paul C
I've just found an excellent photo hosting service. $30 a year, dead easy to upload to, simple straight forward management of photos and albums. Highly recomended.
Smugmug is the name. Some pics of M12 PRC on there and will be added to as things develop.
http://paulcundy.smugmug.com/gallery/359222
Regards
Paul C
There are lots of previous posting on this.
Brake cooling transforms the track day performance in terms of endurance. Pre cooling my brakes were shot after 3-5 laps, they still worked but the pedal felt like standing in a bucket of balmange.
Post cooling they stay crisp all day long.
We've done temp testing on the calipers and the discs (they're painted with temp sensetive paint) and this confirms they get nicely warm but never too hot. Incidentaly Nathan the top joints don't boil either.
For day to day use its sometimes a bit didgy, it keeps them so cool you have to use them everynow and then to keep them up to working. Coming of a motorway onto a slip road can seriously catch you out.
Another equally important brake mod are the solid pipes. This gives the brakes a firm initial bite and makes the pedal firmer as well. I think this may now be standard fitment but when I got mine we had the whole car plumbed with rubber lined pipes, first press of the pedal merely compressed the rubber walls against the steel mesh tubing.
Regards
Paul C
Brake cooling transforms the track day performance in terms of endurance. Pre cooling my brakes were shot after 3-5 laps, they still worked but the pedal felt like standing in a bucket of balmange.
Post cooling they stay crisp all day long.
We've done temp testing on the calipers and the discs (they're painted with temp sensetive paint) and this confirms they get nicely warm but never too hot. Incidentaly Nathan the top joints don't boil either.
For day to day use its sometimes a bit didgy, it keeps them so cool you have to use them everynow and then to keep them up to working. Coming of a motorway onto a slip road can seriously catch you out.
Another equally important brake mod are the solid pipes. This gives the brakes a firm initial bite and makes the pedal firmer as well. I think this may now be standard fitment but when I got mine we had the whole car plumbed with rubber lined pipes, first press of the pedal merely compressed the rubber walls against the steel mesh tubing.
Regards
Paul C
There are lots of previous posting on this.
Brake cooling transforms the track day performance in terms of endurance. Pre cooling my brakes were shot after 3-5 laps, they still worked but the pedal felt like standing in a bucket of balmange.
Post cooling they stay crisp all day long.
We've done temp testing on the calipers and the discs (they're painted with temp sensetive paint) and this confirms they get nicely warm but never too hot. Incidentaly Nathan the top joints don't boil either.
For day to day use its sometimes a bit didgy, it keeps them so cool you have to use them everynow and then to keep them up to working. Coming of a motorway onto a slip road can seriously catch you out.
Another equally important brake mod are the solid pipes. This gives the brakes a firm initial bite and makes the pedal firmer as well. I think this may now be standard fitment but when I got mine we had the whole car plumbed with rubber lined pipes, first press of the pedal merely compressed the rubber walls against the steel mesh tubing.
Regards
Paul C
Brake cooling transforms the track day performance in terms of endurance. Pre cooling my brakes were shot after 3-5 laps, they still worked but the pedal felt like standing in a bucket of balmange.
Post cooling they stay crisp all day long.
We've done temp testing on the calipers and the discs (they're painted with temp sensetive paint) and this confirms they get nicely warm but never too hot. Incidentaly Nathan the top joints don't boil either.
For day to day use its sometimes a bit didgy, it keeps them so cool you have to use them everynow and then to keep them up to working. Coming of a motorway onto a slip road can seriously catch you out.
Another equally important brake mod are the solid pipes. This gives the brakes a firm initial bite and makes the pedal firmer as well. I think this may now be standard fitment but when I got mine we had the whole car plumbed with rubber lined pipes, first press of the pedal merely compressed the rubber walls against the steel mesh tubing.
Regards
Paul C
I'm having the Brake cooling mod done as we speak 
it is like yours but has an ally bit on the end that directs air, I've heard it prolongs BallJoint life too - I'll post a pic when done.
Having the throttle cable moved to the drivers sill too after tales of people stuck at WOT due to melted cables
it is like yours but has an ally bit on the end that directs air, I've heard it prolongs BallJoint life too - I'll post a pic when done. Having the throttle cable moved to the drivers sill too after tales of people stuck at WOT due to melted cables
paulcundy said:
Dear All,
I've just found an excellent photo hosting service. $30 a year, dead easy to upload to, simple straight forward management of photos and albums. Highly recomended.
Smugmug is the name. Some pics of M12 PRC on there and will be added to as things develop.
http://paulcundy.smugmug.com/gallery/359222
Regards
Paul C
Paul, what's the meagabyte limit on Smugmug (I think Fotopic gives me the first 500mb for free)?
m12_nathan said:
I'm having the Brake cooling mod done as we speak
Having the throttle cable moved to the drivers sill too after tales of people stuck at WOT due to melted cables
The throttle cable move is a good plan
Bit uncertain about the brake ducts myself unless they can be easily directed away for road use. Trying to remember which car has ducts that you have to remove a panel to activate, might be the m3, failing that its a 911 or 360.
AMG Merc said:
Paul, what's the meagabyte limit on Smugmug (I think Fotopic gives me the first 500mb for free)?
As far as I can see its unlimited - they say you can upload a million photos if you want. Also another pointer, the "batch upload" process has a limit set at 100mb per "batch upload" so I suspect if that's the incremental upload limit they will beat Fotopic easily.
Regards
Paul C
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To add to Pauls photo library a collection of his videos are now in the gallery at www.gto3.com - Sorry Paul I was going to drop you a mail letting you know and then things got on top of me again!
Anthony.
Anthony.
lucozade said:
I'm really looking forward to my first track day in my 3R. However, I'm getting more and more concerned that I'm not going to be able to enjoy it without having some mods done to the car, like the brake mod shown on this thread.
Anyway care to comment?
Lucozade, well, if you're referring to the first Noble day it'll be March so should be cold/cool (snowing?!)and I'm assuming that, as it'll be your first outing, you'll not be trying too hard so you should be fine!
I believe that the effect of the stock rubber brake pipe setup is that the pipes expand when heated due to very heavy use, and so the brake fluid pressure reduces slightly, causing a spongy feel - however, the factory assures us that the actual performance of the braking system is not compromised in this sutuation.
What other mods are you referring to?
AMG Merc said:
Lucozade, well, if you're referring to the first Noble day it'll be March so should be cold/cool (snowing?!)and I'm assuming that, as it'll be your first outing, you'll not be trying too hard so you should be fine!
I believe that the effect of the stock rubber brake pipe setup is that the pipes expand when heated due to very heavy use, and so the brake fluid pressure reduces slightly, causing a spongy feel - however, the factory assures us that the actual performance of the braking system is not compromised in this sutuation.
What other mods are you referring to?
Just the brake mods AMG Merc, thanks.
lucozade said:
I'm really looking forward to my first track day in my 3R. However, I'm getting more and more concerned that I'm not going to be able to enjoy it without having some mods done to the car, like the brake mod shown on this thread.
Anyway care to comment?
Why not purchase a bit of hose and some cable ties and then try it out on the day if needs be? By the looks of the pictures it can't be more than a few minutes work and you only need a screwdriver to do the changes.
lucozade said:I used the classic brakes on my 2.5l without any mods.
I'm really looking forward to my first track day in my 3R. However, I'm getting more and more concerned that I'm not going to be able to enjoy it without having some mods done to the car, like the brake mod shown on this thread.
Anyway care to comment?
Sure, they went a bit spongy after being left or driven very hard for a long time, but they still worked OK! I never run out of braking ability for the track, even on the Bedford GT circuit (one of the most punishing curcuits from a brake perspective).
You'll be fine in a 3R - it's well setup for the track - "mods" are just for us nutters out here
J
V6GTO said:
By the looks of the pictures it can't be more than a few minutes work
You'r kiddig, right?
Martin.
He means the brake ducts. Are you thinking of the solid lines etc?
Vegantunes mod sounds nice if it has a proper duct at the end rather than just the end of a bit of hose.
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