Ferrari signs to bernie
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So ferrari,founders of the GPWC, have turned their back on the others and signed to Bernie till 2012.
they pick up $100m immediately and will have a greater say in the way its run!!
clearly they've got the deal they wanted and have just abandoned mercedes,bmw and renault.
they must have been negotiating secretly for a while now and i know you've got to look after yourself first but this really stinks and seems fairly arrogant to me.
personally i don't see much of a future in F1!
they pick up $100m immediately and will have a greater say in the way its run!!
clearly they've got the deal they wanted and have just abandoned mercedes,bmw and renault.
they must have been negotiating secretly for a while now and i know you've got to look after yourself first but this really stinks and seems fairly arrogant to me.
personally i don't see much of a future in F1!
Stopped watching F1 years ago. how you can allow a manufacture a say in how the performance of its rivals is marked i don't know. It hardly allows good racing (unless everyone who signs up gets equal say?)
Personally i think F1 is rubbish these days and whilst i take an interest in the technology, I really don't follow it. There are other far more exciting forms of racing now.
I apreciate it takes skill to drive an F1 car, but there doesn't seem to be any fighting spirit in any of the drivers... Bit of BSB does me much better...
Personally i think F1 is rubbish these days and whilst i take an interest in the technology, I really don't follow it. There are other far more exciting forms of racing now.
I apreciate it takes skill to drive an F1 car, but there doesn't seem to be any fighting spirit in any of the drivers... Bit of BSB does me much better...
I think that the other teams will break away in an agreement at some stage this year.
The passion of racing has disappeared from F1 and Bernies simple aim is to make as much money as possible instead of improving the sport. Same goes for Ferrari. Enzo will be turning in his grave.
Oh well. Off to Eurosport and BBC2 for Superbikes and MotoGP......
The passion of racing has disappeared from F1 and Bernies simple aim is to make as much money as possible instead of improving the sport. Same goes for Ferrari. Enzo will be turning in his grave.
Oh well. Off to Eurosport and BBC2 for Superbikes and MotoGP......
I'm not so sure that Enzo would be despondent. He seemed a lot more interested in winning than in competing.
Bernie's bet is that not enough people would be interested in Formula One without Ferrari, and that more than enough would be interested in anything that included Ferrari. It causes one pain to have to admit it, but he's probably right.
Ferrari have done a masterly job of ensconcing themselves as the lowest-common-denominator. For hundreds of millions of racing "fans" - the ones who watch on tv and buy the products whose logos are plastered on the sides of the cars, Ferrari are the only known constructor. I believe that the Ferrari logo is, in fact, one of the ten most-recognised corporate symbols in the world. They are the McDonalds of motor racing.
Bernie's bet is that not enough people would be interested in Formula One without Ferrari, and that more than enough would be interested in anything that included Ferrari. It causes one pain to have to admit it, but he's probably right.
Ferrari have done a masterly job of ensconcing themselves as the lowest-common-denominator. For hundreds of millions of racing "fans" - the ones who watch on tv and buy the products whose logos are plastered on the sides of the cars, Ferrari are the only known constructor. I believe that the Ferrari logo is, in fact, one of the ten most-recognised corporate symbols in the world. They are the McDonalds of motor racing.
burwoodman said:
If the other teams go it alone Ferrari will be racing with itself.
Yes exactly what I say! Yet the Minardi man Stoddart made a claim indicating that there was no hope for GPWC. Forget that this is perfect. Starting an F1 team is nearly impossible so if existing move over to GPWC, naturally other concerns will fill the gap but they will have little experience and thus it is two fold. You see Shuey will get his 10 championships and F1 (Bernies) will be debased as a predictable technologically unsophisticated super bore sport. Ferrari will look beautifully bad in such an uncompetitive series while GPWC will be quite a fine series. Ferrari will come crawling back on GPWC (teams) terms.
I don't know. If I were Merc, B-eehm, Renault, Jordan, Minardi etc. this may be the most ideal situation. Ditch Ferrari by having all the racing companies prepared to do F1 leave and let nubies come in to loose before finishing the 3rd to last lap! Fantastic!
Buffalo said:
how you can allow a manufacture a say in how the performance of its rivals is marked i don't know. It hardly allows good racing (unless everyone who signs up gets equal say?)
This probably happens more than you know.
I know of one home-grown racing series for sure where the main constructor also set the rules (this often happens to get a series off et ground of course, you need numbers so one outfit usually makes the vast majority of the grid. No-one would join up otherwise so that parts more or less inevitable). It's own cars were prepared outside the rules but it jumped on anyone else who put the slightest foot wrong.
It's really very simple why the manufacturers don't go it alone. In F1 they can come and go as they like. If they underwrite their own series they probably won't have that freedom. Coupled to the fact that so many of them have vested interests in keeping advantages that they have that the other teams don't, there would never be agreement over the regulations.
The biggest problem with F1 is manufacturer involvement. The FIA see Manu' involvement as giving the series credibility and stature. However, They being fickle and driven by the boardroom means that they will hang around in F1 while it suits them but leg it as soon as the going gets tough (Ford/Jaguar).
The only way F1 will ever go back to being a racing series is if Manu's had to make engines available to two other teams and remain supplying for 3 years after they pulled out, or something along those lines.
The biggest problem with F1 is manufacturer involvement. The FIA see Manu' involvement as giving the series credibility and stature. However, They being fickle and driven by the boardroom means that they will hang around in F1 while it suits them but leg it as soon as the going gets tough (Ford/Jaguar).
The only way F1 will ever go back to being a racing series is if Manu's had to make engines available to two other teams and remain supplying for 3 years after they pulled out, or something along those lines.
iansull said:
If the other teams go it alone Ferrari will be racing with itself.
i don't understand why they dont?
surely when the agreement runs out then the other manufacturers could pull together and ferrari and bernie would be screwed?
is it not that simple?
Team's like Williams, McLaren, BAR, Ferrari aren't in it for the money and because their boardroom decides to race.... they're in it for the racing pure and simple.
Ferrari don't need to advertise to sell cars, and McLaren, williams and BAR aren't their road car manufacturers.
It's the same reason why Jordan are still in it even though they consistently come bottom but jaguar/ford aren't... one's a racing team and one's a car manufacturer.
F1 will continue for a fair few years to come and i'm sure this season will be far more exciting than last... escpeially as A1GP will be running in the "off season"
Ferrari don't need to advertise to sell cars, and McLaren, williams and BAR aren't their road car manufacturers.
It's the same reason why Jordan are still in it even though they consistently come bottom but jaguar/ford aren't... one's a racing team and one's a car manufacturer.
F1 will continue for a fair few years to come and i'm sure this season will be far more exciting than last... escpeially as A1GP will be running in the "off season"
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