Drink Driving Charge - Advise Please
Drink Driving Charge - Advise Please
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MrFlibbles

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7,792 posts

312 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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I've been contacted by a friend of mine who told me that last night he had been charged with driving under the influence.

Basically, he had a crash (no one else involved, he hit a barrier) and the police where passing.

When breathalysed he was at twice the legal limit.

Its the first time he has ever done anything like that, and I honestly believe that he just made a stupid mistake which he regrets very much. So please, no judgements. Like I say, he realises he's been an arse, and that someone could have been seriously hurt or worse.

He will be in court next friday, and is asking for any advise on getting the ban reduced.

I quote from an email:

"i just sent an email to a solicitor guy, i mentioned a couple of things that might help, i.e. get the records of the last calibration of the breath machine, that they told me to sign one of the forms, that said i had read through a certain set of rules and conditions etc, and when i asked to see them he gave me a leaflet but then said i don't have time to read it, and to just sign. Also, when i asked to see the duty solicitor (when they offered), they came back later and said he's not coming because he said i would forget everything he said! and to call him the next day....but i have no contact details for him..."


Has anyone got any thoughts?

hughesie2

12,790 posts

311 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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MrFlibbles said:


Has anyone got any thoughts?


Its a bit of a no brainer mate, the Intoximeter calibrates itself before the 1st, 2nd and after the last breath.

You sign the print out that shows you the tests.

Tell him to swallow it and chalk it up to experience, i would imagine at twice the limit it'll be a three year ban due to the seriousness of it !!

supraman2954

3,241 posts

268 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Sorry to say, but maybe I speak for many on here when I say: if I had advice, I wouldn't give it.

I doubt that arguing the calibration won't make much difference on the outcome; he was definitely illegal if he was measured at twice the limit. He'll have to take it on the chin.

SiOsbon

3,810 posts

269 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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I know someone whos going through a similar experience, not quite as bad 15 - 20% over so is looking at a one year ban, but was informed that if it had been a longer ban and is the first offence, you may be able to take an extended re-test/go on some type of course and the judge may reduce the ban to 1 year, 18 months, etc.

Although it is completely at the jugdes discression.

hughesie2

12,790 posts

311 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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I blew 1mg over when i had an accident back in 1992, somebody ran into the back of me, day after my 18th borthday, invalidated my insurance and had to pay back parents for a 1 yr old 850 T5 for the next 5 years !!

its an expensive mistake to make, i got 12 month ban and a £50.00 fine.

SotonS2

14,712 posts

267 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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My mate's brother crashed his girlfriends car last week - no one else involved. A member of the public evidently called it in because he managed to limp the car back to hers and found a gaggle of plod in waiting.

He was 1.5 times the limit.

He was in court this week and received 16 month ban (-25% if he attends driver rehabilitation), £300 fine plus £50 costs.

MrFlibbles

Original Poster:

7,792 posts

312 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Cheers for the replies guys.

So he's probably looking at 18months ban and a big fine (at best) ?

At least it won't come as such a shock if he's expecting it.

SotonS2

14,712 posts

267 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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MrFlibbles said:
So he's probably looking at 18months ban and a big fine (at best) ?


Not unreasonable to assume that.



>> Edited by SotonS2 on Friday 21st January 15:34

stone

1,538 posts

276 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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hughesie2 said:
I blew 1mg over when i had an accident back in 1992, somebody ran into the back of me, day after my 18th borthday, invalidated my insurance and had to pay back parents for a 1 yr old 850 T5 for the next 5 years !!

its an expensive mistake to make, i got 12 month ban and a £50.00 fine.



xxplod said:
Bearing in mind that if you blow 35 - 39 (inc) you are not prosecuted.


SiOsbon

3,810 posts

269 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Could have blown 39-40mg to get the conviction and hence 1mg over.

busa_rush

6,930 posts

280 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Chap I know has just got done for dd. 2x limit, caught the following morning. Sensible chap but obviously not sensible enough. 2 year ban plus a fine. Ban reduced to 18 months if he takes an alcohol awareness course, bit of a joke given he's in the medical profession and is fully aware of the effects of alcohol and the time it takes to leave the body etc.

hughesie2

12,790 posts

311 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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SiOsbon said:
Could have blown 39-40mg to get the conviction and hence 1mg over.



Thank you

so if i had blown 40 i would have been prosecuted, agreed ??

>> Edited by hughesie2 on Friday 21st January 15:19

SiOsbon

3,810 posts

269 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Depends on the local BIB, my mate was told it he had blown upto and including 40mg then he would not be prosecuted, he blew 44mg, so hes going to take it on the chin and learn from the experience.

Mr E

23,059 posts

288 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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hughesie2 said:
I blew 1mg over when i had an accident back in 1992, somebody ran into the back of me, day after my 18th borthday, invalidated my insurance and had to pay back parents for a 1 yr old 850 T5 for the next 5 years !!

its an expensive mistake to make, i got 12 month ban and a £50.00 fine.



Happened to a mate of mine. Got leathered. Drove to work the next morning. Got rear ended.

Blew over. 18 month ban. Gigantic insurance for years after.

I am so paranoid that it's untrue..

stone

1,538 posts

276 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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hughesie2 said:

so if i had blown 40 i would have been prosecuted, agreed ??


I was questioning tolerances not your experience It surprises me that anything over the 35mg limit isn't prosecuted.

MrFlibbles

Original Poster:

7,792 posts

312 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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Another question.

His car has a fair bit of damage, is it possible to claim on his insurance, or is this invalid due to being under the influence?

hughesie2

12,790 posts

311 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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stone said:




It surprises me that anything over the 35mg limit isn't prosecuted


I agree wholeheartedly

Dibble

13,276 posts

269 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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35 mg is the legal limit (for breath) - 35-39 not prosecuted, 40 and above is prosecuted.

Twice over will probably mean a ban of about two years, with the possibility of up to a 25% reduction in ban if an approved course is done - often by Telford Training.

The fine isn't reduced, just the length of ban.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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It's bizarre...my county only prosecute at 40mg...however, you can drive over the border after being released for my police station having blown 39, only to be arrested and charged there!

Ridiculous. It needs sorting and fast.

WildCat

8,369 posts

272 months

Friday 21st January 2005
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MrFlibbles said:
Another question.

His car has a fair bit of damage, is it possible to claim on his insurance, or is this invalid due to being under the influence?


I think it will be up to his policy small print und the insurer.

The guy who hit me ... his insurers paid up to the widow. Und my insurers had field day damit in court - six years later! (They claime he ws not insured as they tired to say he died nefore he hit me!)

Have thus neither time not patience for such sharks! Und am choosy as to insurer as result!