Dolescum to earn their giro
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I notice on the thread about litter that there are suggestions that our much admired dole sponging fraternity should earn their money by picking litter up.
Has anybody got any more suggestions?
I heard a story that it is illegal to go around a roundabout more than three times, so why don't we make them all sit there all day in the sh1tty weather, to watch out for people doing this.
Obviously getting them to bu66er off at night so that we can pull the odd doughnut if the opportunity should arise
Has anybody got any more suggestions?
I heard a story that it is illegal to go around a roundabout more than three times, so why don't we make them all sit there all day in the sh1tty weather, to watch out for people doing this.
Obviously getting them to bu66er off at night so that we can pull the odd doughnut if the opportunity should arise
I reckon they should take any job offered to them that arises. It's not like we have an unemployment problem in this era is it?
If they don't then they can be treated as offenders, and IMO petty offenders should be made to pick up litter and dog s
t, scrub off graffitti, repair vandalism and so on - anything they're responsible for, basically.
If they don't then they can be treated as offenders, and IMO petty offenders should be made to pick up litter and dog s
t, scrub off graffitti, repair vandalism and so on - anything they're responsible for, basically.whoateallthepies said:I was on the dole 3 years ago when the IT market went tits up just after my first child was born and it was no
I notice on the thread about litter that there are suggestions that our much admired dole sponging fraternity should earn their money by picking litter up.
ing joke... does that mean I'm scum and a scrounger?whoateallthepies said:Plenty, and you wouldn't like any of them.
Has anybody got any more suggestions?
dern said:
I notice on the thread about litter that there are suggestions that our much admired dole sponging fraternity should earn their money by picking litter up.
I was on the dole 3 years ago when the IT market went tits up just after my first child was born and it was no
Almost certainly not, but then I'm guessing you were actively looking for work, and more than likely got a decent job eventually.
This kind of initiative should be targetted at people who have been out of work for say a year or more and have no appreciable skills to do anything else (for example, if you have IT skills then you do a bit of work on the local college network or something). I appreciate that not many people genuinely want to be on the dole, but there's undeniable a minority that take the piss and have no intention of ever getting a job. This would weed out the few bad apples and at least get them putting something back into society.
I think whoateallthepies is talking specifically about the type of people who see living on the dole as an income, whilst constantly turning down jobs (even having been to the interviews) and going to the extremes of getting GP's notes to exempt them for the smallest things.
These people are wrongfully diverting the benefits away from people like you, who deserved them when you were between jobs. It's just that the problem is that what they do isn't defined as an offence properly, and goes on en masse in our dole offices.
These people are wrongfully diverting the benefits away from people like you, who deserved them when you were between jobs. It's just that the problem is that what they do isn't defined as an offence properly, and goes on en masse in our dole offices.
Can all the stupid right wing reactionary idiots with no knowlege of the subject please shut up. I spent a huge ammount of my working life designing and implementing all kinds of initiatives to deal with the long term unemployed. In times of relatively high employment the people at the very bottom of our society remain unemployed for one very good reason. They are unemployable. They are often alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals on their way to or from jail or intellectually so poor the notion of work is entirely ludicrous. In times of high unemployment all parts of society can be hit with the problem.
The notion of dole scum is completely inappropriate. I note with interest that we never have a thread about parasite scum. Thats the people who run pathetic businesses that are not viable and to make them work they flout all the employment and safety legislation and exploit government so called training schemes for free labour while promising jobs then offer less than the minimum wage. Filth like this usually have megga debts, drive flash leased cars and call themselves the MD even if the company is only 10 employees.
Unfortunately we have both kinds of people and they all live in our society. For the most part none of them have a great time living down there at the bottom. There are better way to address the problem than with silly, childish, right wing reactionary stupidity though.
The notion of dole scum is completely inappropriate. I note with interest that we never have a thread about parasite scum. Thats the people who run pathetic businesses that are not viable and to make them work they flout all the employment and safety legislation and exploit government so called training schemes for free labour while promising jobs then offer less than the minimum wage. Filth like this usually have megga debts, drive flash leased cars and call themselves the MD even if the company is only 10 employees.
Unfortunately we have both kinds of people and they all live in our society. For the most part none of them have a great time living down there at the bottom. There are better way to address the problem than with silly, childish, right wing reactionary stupidity though.
Since I made the original suggestion
I think I should clarify what exactly I meant- I was not having a dig about people who are temporary unemployed between jobs but those who are on benefit as a way of life.
Most of these people do not appear on jobless counts because they are on Incapacity benefit or single mums.
Now I have no problem with someone who is so disabled they cannot work receiving a decent income from the state-no civilised society should have a problem with this, but many people who are on these benefits are quite capable of working and it is the same with single mums.
A few hours serving their community each week will not only benefit their community but will introduce the positive moral message of working for an income. As well as making fraud harder by making claiming long term benefit more inconvenient for those working in the black economy.
I think I should clarify what exactly I meant- I was not having a dig about people who are temporary unemployed between jobs but those who are on benefit as a way of life.
Most of these people do not appear on jobless counts because they are on Incapacity benefit or single mums.
Now I have no problem with someone who is so disabled they cannot work receiving a decent income from the state-no civilised society should have a problem with this, but many people who are on these benefits are quite capable of working and it is the same with single mums.
A few hours serving their community each week will not only benefit their community but will introduce the positive moral message of working for an income. As well as making fraud harder by making claiming long term benefit more inconvenient for those working in the black economy.
nonegreen said:
I note with interest that we never have a thread about parasite scum. Thats the people who run pathetic businesses that are not viable and to make them work they flout all the employment and safety legislation and exploit government so called training schemes for free labour while promising jobs then offer less than the minimum wage. Filth like this usually have megga debts, drive flash leased cars and call themselves the MD even if the company is only 10 employees.
Cambridge seems to have more than its fair share of these and my son has fallen victim to one, no contract after 15 weeks, no pay over christmas, no time for breaks, constantly extended probabation periods, late pay, etc etc....I would love to name and shame but
JagLover said:
Since I made the original suggestion
I think I should clarify what exactly I meant- I was not having a dig about people who are temporary unemployed between jobs but those who are on benefit as a way of life.
Most of these people do not appear on jobless counts because they are on Incapacity benefit or single mums.
Now I have no problem with someone who is so disabled they cannot work receiving a decent income from the state-no civilised society should have a problem with this, but many people who are on these benefits are quite capable of working and it is the same with single mums.
A few hours serving their community each week will not only benefit their community but will introduce the positive moral message of working for an income. As well as making fraud harder by making claiming long term benefit more inconvenient for those working in the black economy.
I have tried to make this kind of stuff work. It cost a fortune and you achieve fook all. I will give you an example. In a medium sized town in 1998 there were 324 16 to 18 year olds classed as "special needs". That meant they were ellegable to be hand held into work via a series of job trails etc
The number of times these kids rejected the programme and wnet round and round the system in circles was countless. Then in 1999 a food production firm opened a packing plant and offered £180.00 for a 37 hour week. Within days the number of special needs 16 to 18 year olds had fallen to 38. These were the genuinely unemployable. The others were simply not prepared to work all week for their allowance. No one is, after all why should they? The notion of forcing them to is completely stupid all it will do is create loads of petty crime. (I have worked with people who were beaten by their parents if they did not subsidise YTS allowance with car radio theft). It is not very clever to try to kick people when they are down. If they have nothing to lose they may chose to just kill you for the clothes on your back.
apache said:
I note with interest that we never have a thread about parasite scum. Thats the people who run pathetic businesses that are not viable and to make them work they flout all the employment and safety legislation and exploit government so called training schemes for free labour while promising jobs then offer less than the minimum wage. Filth like this usually have megga debts, drive flash leased cars and call themselves the MD even if the company is only 10 employees.
Cambridge seems to have more than its fair share of these and my son has fallen victim to one, no contract after 15 weeks, no pay over christmas, no time for breaks, constantly extended probabation periods, late pay, etc etc....I would love to name and shame but
Try being a sodding employer. The minute you sign someone up, contract or not, you have almost incredible responsibilities towards them. If she gets pregnant the day after joining your liable for Maternity Pay and try getting a
penny back off the government for that! No-one should want to be a Director of a small business - you get made MD and then if some professional accountant
s up you're to blame and will be the one going to jail. The Revenue are on your back baying for blood at every opportuniuty.
Sure some firms don't treat their employees well. But even the ones who actually want to (like us) find that you'd be a fool to employ anyone on anything but a watertight short term contract - unless you want to find yourself personally responsible for someone else's kids.
There's lots of ways to see things. Some people are scum - but hey - there's unemployed scum, employed scum, self employed scum, Directorial scum and just plain
scum. Then there's decent people - and they come in all shapes, sizes, colours and professions too.
I have been unemployed since November. I refuse to sign on as I refuse to be treated like a piece of s**t by the c***s in the Employment service. I also refuse to que with the dirty scum in the line*. There is no excuse for it. I refuse to be treated like a scumbag and so I forsake £40 P/W which I would have had to crawl on my belly like a submissive dog for, that! There should be a jobcentre for people who are transients and are genuine jobseekers.
I'm starting work on a building site to get some bucks to go travelling before starting teaching again in Sept.
Being unemployed has taught me that the Employment Service is useless and de-humanising. On sign on day, they should have gas chambers instead.
Sorry to rant but they have sickened me.
My local jobcentre is in central scumville in Plimmuf and the people stink, are raddled, greasy and sickening, I am aware that I am technically equal, but vote with my feet.
>> Edited by love machine on Friday 21st January 18:50
that! There should be a jobcentre for people who are transients and are genuine jobseekers. I'm starting work on a building site to get some bucks to go travelling before starting teaching again in Sept.
Being unemployed has taught me that the Employment Service is
useless and de-humanising. On sign on day, they should have gas chambers instead. Sorry to rant but they have sickened me. My local jobcentre is in central scumville in Plimmuf and the people stink, are raddled, greasy and sickening, I am aware that I am technically equal, but vote with my feet.
>> Edited by love machine on Friday 21st January 18:50
Don said:
nonegreen said:
I note with interest that we never have a thread about parasite scum. Thats the people who run pathetic businesses that are not viable and to make them work they flout all the employment and safety legislation and exploit government so called training schemes for free labour while promising jobs then offer less than the minimum wage. Filth like this usually have megga debts, drive flash leased cars and call themselves the MD even if the company is only 10 employees.
Cambridge seems to have more than its fair share of these and my son has fallen victim to one, no contract after 15 weeks, no pay over christmas, no time for breaks, constantly extended probabation periods, late pay, etc etc....I would love to name and shame but
Try being a sodding employer. The minute you sign someone up, contract or not, you have almost incredible responsibilities towards them. If she gets pregnant the day after joining your liable for Maternity Pay and try getting a
No-one should want to be a Director of a small business - you get made MD and then if some professional accountant
The Revenue are on your back baying for blood at every opportuniuty.
Sure some firms don't treat their employees well. But even the ones who actually want to (like us) find that you'd be a fool to employ anyone on anything but a watertight short term contract - unless you want to find yourself personally responsible for someone else's kids.
There's lots of ways to see things. Some people are scum - but hey - there's unemployed scum, employed scum, self employed scum, Directorial scum and just plain
Then there's decent people - and they come in all shapes, sizes, colours and professions too.
Indeed and actually its the scum that cause the legislation in the first place. The only people who benefit in the end are the lawyer scum, oh and sometimes their letterbox gobbed wife.
In Slovakia, to obtain "dole" or thier equivalent of, recipients have to do comunity work, graffiti removal, litter clearing and street sweeping amongst other tasks. How many hours a week they have to work, I'm not sure, but this was going on in Kosice in 2001.
I rekon the layabout element should do 'community' type work, and have thier dole enhanced as a reward.
I rekon the layabout element should do 'community' type work, and have thier dole enhanced as a reward.
I get to see lots of the type of people who are mentioned here. The problem really is two fold there are those who cannot work and those who will not. In my experiance there are far less who cannot than those who will not. The welfare state breeds a why should I bother to work mentality which is very hard to break. My latest employee has not worked through illness since 1994 and is proving difficult to get into the swing of things after years of handouts (justified I may add). However he has lost the fend for himself mentality most of us have, so he is now trying to find where he can get benefit from because he is now worse off working. The job centres have no incentive to weed out the spongers and as it is easy to just sit at home that is what they do. It will never work trying to make them work for benefit because the minimum wage the unions will all get in the way. I lost my job during the miners strike and could not find a local job, so I left the area and travelled south and found work, my wife then moved to join me later, some of the people I knew then still have not worked since. I could have taken the benefit route but I would not, if some of those who persistantly refuse work or deliberatly lost jobs were not given any handouts they would soon find work of some type. We should look after those who cannot work well the ones who won't work should have enough to live on no more.
A bit unfair perhaps to label all on benefit scummers but I think I understand where you're coming from.
I've always thought that the government could come up with smarter ways of getting people into work starting at the unemployment queue.
I'm sure most decent people would rather do something rather than nothing when on benefit, however those who are long term unemployed by choice (as certain members of society seem to think is their god-given right) clearly couldn't care less and are happy to scrounge ad infinitum.
Perhaps some bright spark could come up with a way for the unemployed to take part in regenerations schemes... decorating run down schools or inner city playgrounds or something... ways in which something positive can be the result, and not necessarily tasks which are generally considered demeaning (litter picking).
As for petty criminals I'd be happy to see the scrotes walked down the side of motorways, roads, in parks, or wherever in high-vis vests spending their time cleaning up for the rest of us. They were probably the gits that chucked the crap there in the first place.
I've always thought that the government could come up with smarter ways of getting people into work starting at the unemployment queue.
I'm sure most decent people would rather do something rather than nothing when on benefit, however those who are long term unemployed by choice (as certain members of society seem to think is their god-given right) clearly couldn't care less and are happy to scrounge ad infinitum.
Perhaps some bright spark could come up with a way for the unemployed to take part in regenerations schemes... decorating run down schools or inner city playgrounds or something... ways in which something positive can be the result, and not necessarily tasks which are generally considered demeaning (litter picking).
As for petty criminals I'd be happy to see the scrotes walked down the side of motorways, roads, in parks, or wherever in high-vis vests spending their time cleaning up for the rest of us. They were probably the gits that chucked the crap there in the first place.
I still believe that unless you have paid in, you shouldn't be able to take out.
I have paid in for over half of my life, and saved hard during this time, I now choose not to work, but even if I was actively seeking empoyement I wouldn't be able to claim, as I am required to live off of my savings.
My sister whom is 10 years older than me, has never worked and yet she has a free home, help to furnish it etc, etc....
Further more I now have to top up my NI contributions to entitle me to my state pension, despite paying tax at the higher rate for the last 15 years.
I have paid in for over half of my life, and saved hard during this time, I now choose not to work, but even if I was actively seeking empoyement I wouldn't be able to claim, as I am required to live off of my savings.
My sister whom is 10 years older than me, has never worked and yet she has a free home, help to furnish it etc, etc....
Further more I now have to top up my NI contributions to entitle me to my state pension, despite paying tax at the higher rate for the last 15 years.
shirley temple said:
In Slovakia, to obtain "dole" or thier equivalent of, recipients have to do comunity work, graffiti removal, litter clearing and street sweeping amongst other tasks. How many hours a week they have to work, I'm not sure, but this was going on in Kosice in 2001.
I rekon the layabout element should do 'community' type work, and have thier dole enhanced as a reward.
Hmmmm yeah perhaps the 4th largest economy in the world should try to emulate Slovathingywheredidusay
Bring back rickits, rationing and food stamps.
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