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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4197261.stm
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Saturday 22 January 10:12
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Saturday 22 January 10:12
Sounds like the Drink-drive prosecution is the least of this poor chap's problems - not that I condone it.
I read some other stories about this case. It would appear to me (only my interpretation) that it is not just drinking and driving - but drinking and working - and frankly drinking and drinking that is doing him in.
I read some other stories about this case. It would appear to me (only my interpretation) that it is not just drinking and driving - but drinking and working - and frankly drinking and drinking that is doing him in.
Aye...agreed....
My point was in relation to the fact that if you 'balls up' the police will drop you like a hot potato...Not cover up and protect you like what some elements of the public believe.
Christ; they've even published his date of birth and address on the GMP website...and he's still technically a serving officer..
My point was in relation to the fact that if you 'balls up' the police will drop you like a hot potato...Not cover up and protect you like what some elements of the public believe.
Christ; they've even published his date of birth and address on the GMP website...and he's still technically a serving officer..
Streetcop said:
My point was in relation to the fact that if you 'balls up' the police will drop you like a hot potato.
The problem that the police force have is that over the years they have got a reputation (sometimes unfairly) as a bit of an old boys network. Therefore when they do catch one of their own doing something wrong it never hurts to make an example. The police force are as corrupt as any large organisation its just that they are the one publically funded entity that can't afford to be.
TripleS said:
It gives me no joy whatsoever to read of a case like this, and I'm not going to attack anybody on the basis of it.
It is an extremely sad state of affairs for the man himself, and his family, and the Police Force, however it is dealt with.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Well said!
MilnerR said:
My point was in relation to the fact that if you 'balls up' the police will drop you like a hot potato.
The problem that the police force have is that over the years they have got a reputation (sometimes unfairly) as a bit of an old boys network. Therefore when they do catch one of their own doing something wrong it never hurts to make an example. The police force are as corrupt as any large organisation its just that they are the one publically funded entity that can't afford to be.
Streetcop is wrong.
If a Police Officer commits a crime - like an ordinary "member of the public", he will often be treated worse. Whether this is because there are better expectations or not, I do not know.
However, that is not what people object to in the old boy network ; the objection is the total lack of action taken against "Noble Cause Corruption" as the Met Chief described it, or more colloquially "being bent for the job".
It is virtually impossible to get a prosecution on this (though signs are that the IPCC is microscopically better, though the Police still normally investigate their own forces).
For example, the West Midlands torturers (remember them ?) have not been prosecuted.
I think street cop was trying to balance the recent report of a quite high ranking officer getting away with drink driving due to procedural errors committed by the arresting officer. It smacked of back scratching.
It appears in this case the guy was going to come a cropper anyway because of his drink problem so the powers that be have decided to string him up in public as a rather cynical PR stunt. Justice not only has to be done; it has to be seen to be done.
I believe there is some very serious abuses of power that go on. I know from a personal experience where i had a run in with a copper and a number of his mates over my relationship with his ex. I was basically told to take a hike otherwise life would get very difficult.
It appears in this case the guy was going to come a cropper anyway because of his drink problem so the powers that be have decided to string him up in public as a rather cynical PR stunt. Justice not only has to be done; it has to be seen to be done.
I believe there is some very serious abuses of power that go on. I know from a personal experience where i had a run in with a copper and a number of his mates over my relationship with his ex. I was basically told to take a hike otherwise life would get very difficult.
I know you're trying to show that coppers will get punished the same and if not worse than Joe Public but I'm not convinced this particular instance is a good one. I don't know the details of the case (so please excuse any assumption) but I'd guess that the fact that he had a drink problem, colleagues had known for some time before he finally got charged?
Kind of confused here. I thought he got off on 14th Dec '04 and made the front pages of the paper. Has he been caught again? In which case he has a serious drink problem. Wonder if the police have dealt with this from a work point of view as his drinking can't be a new thing. Why didn't they force him to get help rather than allow him to risk peoples lives.
I had a member of staff come in smelling of drink he was grilled and advised it was inappropriate to come to work smelling of alcohol and it would not be tolerated. He was not allowed to deal with the public and given crappy jobs for the day - hasn't happened since.
I had a member of staff come in smelling of drink he was grilled and advised it was inappropriate to come to work smelling of alcohol and it would not be tolerated. He was not allowed to deal with the public and given crappy jobs for the day - hasn't happened since.
Hum this stuff pisses me off. This guy is a detective. That means he is paid by the state to mix it with all kinds of low life scum to find out what they are up to. That by definition means working a 16 hour day and living like a low life for at least some of that. Several of my relatives are and were Manchester CID (The filth) and they spend at least some of the time getting shitfaced with idiots then driving. Its part of the job. This guy may well have a drink problem but his firm should look after him. We the state pay for this guy to prevent mob rule. We dont want this place like Belfast. IMO He should be dealt with internally. I believe I have a fair understanding of what his role may be and I am bloody sure no silly bitch magistrate from Wilmslow does. This country is fast becoming utterly crap. We see more and more examples everyday of power being used without responsiblity for the problems that causes. The Manchester gangster who set a car on fire with a man in the boot got away scot free because he intimidated the legal system and the individuals employed to prosecute him. We need a particular kind of animal to take people like that off the streets. Getting all prissy about silly drink driving laws is not going to help.
nonegreen..
Interesting post..I'll hand it to you...
However, I'm mixed in my views;
Firstly the majority of CID aren't 'undercover' they are just 'plain clothes'.
The 'mixing with big crims' is done by other squads..most of which aren't known to the public domain. The big crims are also watched by other squads' surveillance teams etc.
As for the business about being able to deal with criminals on the level they are????? In 2005 Britain..?
Goodness me. The public want the police to be answerable to the laws; if not more so that the public. Hung out to dry if they do something wrong. Charged with murder if they shoot someone brandishing a table leg in a carrier bag. Sacked if they are too heavy handed with a drunken lout etc etc....
Most of the time, the public are screaming out for some kind of Eutopian police force that has chequered halos...
Interesting post..I'll hand it to you...
However, I'm mixed in my views;
Firstly the majority of CID aren't 'undercover' they are just 'plain clothes'.
The 'mixing with big crims' is done by other squads..most of which aren't known to the public domain. The big crims are also watched by other squads' surveillance teams etc.
As for the business about being able to deal with criminals on the level they are????? In 2005 Britain..?
Goodness me. The public want the police to be answerable to the laws; if not more so that the public. Hung out to dry if they do something wrong. Charged with murder if they shoot someone brandishing a table leg in a carrier bag. Sacked if they are too heavy handed with a drunken lout etc etc....
Most of the time, the public are screaming out for some kind of Eutopian police force that has chequered halos...
Streetcop said:
As for the business about being able to deal with criminals on the level they are????? In 2005 Britain..?
Goodness me. The public want the police to be answerable to the laws; if not more so that the public. Hung out to dry if they do something wrong. Charged with murder if they shoot someone brandishing a table leg in a carrier bag. Sacked if they are too heavy handed with a drunken lout etc etc....
Most of the time, the public are screaming out for some kind of Eutopian police force that has chequered halos...
I think the same people who want that are the ones who think speed cameras save lives and who believe, often passionately that by a continual process of legislation and education every criminal can be reformed every road death can be prevented and all the wickle furry hanimals can live in harmony with wonderfully considerate and Pc human beings.
These people are mindless morons and they represent about 2% of the rest of us. Unfortunately they are members of the legal and education professions and the current mainstay of the political trash regardless of what colour you vote. They are the desease and I would love to be the cure. 
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