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Monkey will be driving one of two new GT12 racecars. Dr. Bez will be driving in one of the N430.
Preview film here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqa9MRh9pk
Preview film here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqa9MRh9pk
Thank you for your reminder, KarlFranz.
I now need to realign my German channels TV dish, which the recent winds have moved.
A few years ago, I remember some wonderful television coverage where on the first lap, viewers saw from the cockpit of the second place car, as it tried very hard to repeatedly pass the leader (a Ford GT I think).
Good luck to Aston Martin Racing.
The top 30 qualifying began today with AM GT3 number 007 leading the cars away for the timed two laps.
The outcome was car 7 and sister car 6 qualifying in 12th and 13th places. Aston number 6 though has a 5 place grid penalty, as a result of contact with another car during a qualifying session. The TV did show what appeared to be an unfortunate clumsy slow tight corner overtake. The AM spun following the contact and the Porsche received a puncture, and was left trying to drive to the pits with a disintegrating tyre. Impossible on such a long lap.
There appear to be a total of eight aston Martins taking part, five being factory entries.
The race begins at 3pm BST tomorrow.
Free to air TV on Astra 19, channel DSF, now called Sport 1.
There should be English commentary via the Le Mans Radio website.
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 16th May 13:00
Gdc & theaxe,
Enjoy the race.
Back home, we see lap times for each car, but with shared driving, do not know which driver set those times.
Are you able to see driver times at the track?
Dr. Bez is brave to take part, and being of a certain age understandably might not be as quick as his co-drivers. Any individual driver times available for that Aston Martin N430?
Can't see individual driver times here. My lack of German doesn't help. Listening to radiolemans.com is an English language lifeline. All Astons going well., leading In 2 classes with 3 hrs gone. Chris Harris in car#50 leading their class. Turner/mucke car #7 running 13th overall last lap 8.39. Adam/stanaway car#6 running 16th last lap 8.49
I have now found better internet coverage of this race, and the sound fits the pictures (over one minute delay with LeMans Radio).
Video and Sound = www.nurburgring.org.uk/n24.php
The Vodafone live stream seems to be better than the ADAC live stream.
Timing screen = https://livetiming.tracktime.info/nurburgring#scre...
The GT3 Astons are in overall positions 9 and 15.
Class SP8 is being led by a GT12 Aston.
Class SP10 has Aston V8 in first and second place.
Aston Martin still hold the lead in two classes, but the hoped for overall success for the GT3 Astons, does not now look possible.
Two hours fifteen minutes remain.
Three V8 Vantages are ahead of the GT12 Aston Martins.
At £250,000 basic, that was not supposed to happen.
(Gdc; 007 is a GT3, not GT12. The GT12s are now in overall positions 93 and 100)
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 17th May 12:59
Jon39 said:
Aston Martin hoped for overall success for the GT3 Astons, does not now look possible.
Three V8 Vantages are ahead of the GT12 Aston Martins.
At £250,000 basic, that was not supposed to happen.
Anything can happen good luck / bad luck / weather / accidents in the race which make overall finishing position appear odd. But qualifying times are quite reliable indication of potential pace and are indeed quite confusing.Three V8 Vantages are ahead of the GT12 Aston Martins.
At £250,000 basic, that was not supposed to happen.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 17th May 12:59
The first ever airing of an Aston Martin Racing built GT3 was in 2012. In that race Stuck set one of quickest times at 8m 23s in the #007 V12 Vantage GT3 which was fantastic. Moving forward In 2013 the #007 car qualified 2nd place @ 8m18s. Wow! Yet in 2015 #007 car qualified 12th place @ 8m20seconds. When the competition is getting faster (11 cars going faster in qualifying in 2015 than the #007 car which qualified 2nd in 2013) it appears this factory is actually going slower hence why seeking an outright win with current cars was an absolute distant dream / marketeers comment only.
For comparison to GT12 'Potential', the V12 Vantage (different to GT3) most like GT12 won its class in the 2009 race, best time at the race of 8min 56sec. Now in 2015 Car 48 GT12 qualified with time of 9m30 seconds, car 50 GT12 qualified 9m02seconds.
What the heck is going on????? Its not drivers because times stated are fastest laps and each team across the years had at least 1 top pro driver. Meaning its either stagnation of spec / parts or deterioration of race team ability, perhaps both. Of course, the GT3 rules at WEC but a car to the limit of those regs clearly doesn't port across to NRing, perhaps a reason why Ferrari doesn't do NRing but competes WEC.
BamfordMike said:
Jon39 said:
Aston Martin hoped for overall success for the GT3 Astons, does not now look possible.
Three V8 Vantages are ahead of the GT12 Aston Martins.
At £250,000 basic, that was not supposed to happen.
Anything can happen good luck / bad luck / weather / accidents in the race which make overall finishing position appear odd. But qualifying times are quite reliable indication of potential pace and are indeed quite confusing.Three V8 Vantages are ahead of the GT12 Aston Martins.
At £250,000 basic, that was not supposed to happen.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 17th May 12:59
The first ever airing of an Aston Martin Racing built GT3 was in 2012. In that race Stuck set one of quickest times at 8m 23s in the #007 V12 Vantage GT3 which was fantastic. Moving forward In 2013 the #007 car qualified 2nd place @ 8m18s. Wow! Yet in 2015 #007 car qualified 12th place @ 8m20seconds. When the competition is getting faster (11 cars going faster in qualifying in 2015 than the #007 car which qualified 2nd in 2013) it appears this factory is actually going slower hence why seeking an outright win with current cars was an absolute distant dream / marketeers comment only.
For comparison to GT12 'Potential', the V12 Vantage (different to GT3) most like GT12 won its class in the 2009 race, best time at the race of 8min 56sec. Now in 2015 Car 48 GT12 qualified with time of 9m30 seconds, car 50 GT12 qualified 9m02seconds.
What the heck is going on????? Its not drivers because times stated are fastest laps and each team across the years had at least 1 top pro driver. Meaning its either stagnation of spec / parts or deterioration of race team ability, perhaps both. Of course, the GT3 rules at WEC but a car to the limit of those regs clearly doesn't port across to NRing, perhaps a reason why Ferrari doesn't do NRing but competes WEC.
Gdc said:
Yes something weird for sure. monkey told me this morning they wanted to prove that GT12 car #50 could finish ahead of works GT12 and was going to plan until both car #50 and #006 went out at pretty much same time this morning. Also this year in N24 race they had speed limited zones in parts of track, which causes driver confusion = difficulty for drivers to handle in the cockpit = slower race pace. Nevertheless Radio LM were saying that the leading BMW/Audis were racing at least net 2-3s/ lap faster in 2015 than 2014 so they seem to have developed their car year over year despite this.
hope you enjoyed n ring, fab event isn't it. do you know why on earth they would want to prove that one prototype car which looks identical to another prototype car could finish ahead of its sister from within their own stable? From the outside its just 2 gt12's that should hurtle around the fastest possible to return the best result possible for the brand. Instead, 3 V8 engine'd cars finished ahead of both GT12's which is something i would of thought was more important to prove could not happen!!! All they have proven is the whole GT3 concept is a bit odd / an under performer for its price tag together with suffering reliability glitches.
From my perspective of a technical philistine but an ardent brand devotee; I watched some of the Live stream video coverage but found it so frustrating to see so little of our cars (there were millions of cars out there on track), that I opted to watch the 'live-time' screen whilst listening to Radio Le Mans,,,far more interesting and informative.
Having been looking forward to the race so much, in summary at the flag, I was very disappointed with AM performance.
I assume the excuse for the lack luster performance will boil down to a lack of funding, it seems to in all other forms of motor sport.
A la Barmy Army, I will no doubt soon recover my normal level of AM masochistic obsessionism and at Le Mans next month will be full of optimism for some class wins.
Having been looking forward to the race so much, in summary at the flag, I was very disappointed with AM performance.
I assume the excuse for the lack luster performance will boil down to a lack of funding, it seems to in all other forms of motor sport.
A la Barmy Army, I will no doubt soon recover my normal level of AM masochistic obsessionism and at Le Mans next month will be full of optimism for some class wins.
Edited by Y100 on Monday 18th May 11:13
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