Selling a car to an overseas buyer road tax question
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Hello all.
I might have a German buyer for a car. If we do the deal, he wants to fly over to the UK and drive the car home.
I've not sold a car since the new road tax laws have come in, but as I understand it, as soon as he buys the car it will not have tax.
If this is so, how can he drive the car throught the UK to Germany? Will he have to tax the car here, even though he will be leaving the same day? Can he indeed tax it, using his German car insurance?
Thanks.
I might have a German buyer for a car. If we do the deal, he wants to fly over to the UK and drive the car home.
I've not sold a car since the new road tax laws have come in, but as I understand it, as soon as he buys the car it will not have tax.
If this is so, how can he drive the car throught the UK to Germany? Will he have to tax the car here, even though he will be leaving the same day? Can he indeed tax it, using his German car insurance?
Thanks.
JumboBeef said:
Hello all.
I've not sold a car since the new road tax laws have come in, but as I understand it, as soon as he buys the car it will not have tax..
That's not what the legislation says. I've not sold a car since the new road tax laws have come in, but as I understand it, as soon as he buys the car it will not have tax..
Sale + Notification to DVLA is required to cancel the tax and trigger the refund (if applicable).
BertBert said:
Roo said:
Fill out the bit that says the car has gone for export. Get a dated and timed receipt.
Not your problem what he does.
The export bit is for when you take it to another country, not when you sell it to someone who is taking it to another country.Not your problem what he does.
He will need the main V5C to register it abroad. You notify DVLA by sending back the V5C/4. The car is no longer in the UK in your name. DVLA don't know or care more than that.
TooMany2cvs said:
BertBert said:
Roo said:
Fill out the bit that says the car has gone for export. Get a dated and timed receipt.
Not your problem what he does.
The export bit is for when you take it to another country, not when you sell it to someone who is taking it to another country.Not your problem what he does.
He will need the main V5C to register it abroad. You notify DVLA by sending back the V5C/4. The car is no longer in the UK in your name. DVLA don't know or care more than that.
The V5c/4 states it is for when you personally export the car. I'm not personally exporting it, I'll selling it to someone else who is. Also, the buyer is picking the car up on a Friday, driving to Dover and staying there until Saturday when he leaves the UK. Do I put Friday as the day the car was exported (but if it get pinged by a camera on Friday they'll know I was not telling the truth), or put Saturday and then I'll be liable for any camera pings on the Friday? Why is nothing simple......?
Paul Dishman said:
You're selling it, not exporting it so whatever the buyer does after he's collected it is not your responsibility.
I'd record time and date of sale and inform DVLA that I'd sold it on the Friday
But if I do that I need to send off the V5c. This is a problem because:I'd record time and date of sale and inform DVLA that I'd sold it on the Friday
1/ the new buyer will need the V5c to register the car in his country (Germany).
2/ the new buyer will (IIRC) need the V5c to show the police if stopped in France/Belgium/Holland/Germany on his way home.
It always amuses me when people come on here asking for advice and in this case about selling a car to someone who will export it.
There is usually about 20% of posters who know the correct procedures and 80% think they do but in reality they do not have a clue.Then there is a lot of argument and the OP gets more confused.
I have a novel ideal,why not look on the DVLA website or ring them and tell them what you would like to do and guess what they will tell you how to do it.It really is not that hard.
There is usually about 20% of posters who know the correct procedures and 80% think they do but in reality they do not have a clue.Then there is a lot of argument and the OP gets more confused.
I have a novel ideal,why not look on the DVLA website or ring them and tell them what you would like to do and guess what they will tell you how to do it.It really is not that hard.
btcc123 said:
I have a novel ideal,why not look on the DVLA website or ring them and tell them what you would like to do and guess what they will tell you how to do it.It really is not that hard.
The website is unhelpful. Their number just goes through to a recorded message saying "we're too busy at the moment, call back later" and hangs up.Don't you think I would have tried those options first?
Looks like I've found the answer here:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167212/resp...
Page 8.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167212/resp...
Page 8.
web said:
What to do if you are selling your vehicle privately to someone that does not have a GB address.
You should fill in sections 6 and 10 with the new keeper’s name and address. Both you and the new keeper (buyer) must sign and date the declaration in section 8. Give the whole V5C to the new keeper to aid registration abroad.
You should then send a signed letter to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AG giving the vehicle’s registration number, the make and model of the vehicle, the date of sale or transfer, and the name and address of the new keeper.
Once we know about the change of keeper, you should receive an acknowledgement letter to confirm that you are no longer responsible for the vehicle.
If you do not receive the letter within 4 weeks, please phone 0300 790 6802. If you are deaf or hard of hearing and have access to a textphone, phone 0300 123 1279 (this number will not respond to ordinary phones)
Couldn't find it on The DVLA website at all.You should fill in sections 6 and 10 with the new keeper’s name and address. Both you and the new keeper (buyer) must sign and date the declaration in section 8. Give the whole V5C to the new keeper to aid registration abroad.
You should then send a signed letter to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AG giving the vehicle’s registration number, the make and model of the vehicle, the date of sale or transfer, and the name and address of the new keeper.
Once we know about the change of keeper, you should receive an acknowledgement letter to confirm that you are no longer responsible for the vehicle.
If you do not receive the letter within 4 weeks, please phone 0300 790 6802. If you are deaf or hard of hearing and have access to a textphone, phone 0300 123 1279 (this number will not respond to ordinary phones)
That's because it isn't there! 
- https://www.gov.uk/notifying-dvla-if-you-sell-your...
Yet another reason never to trust the gov.uk portal.
Following the advice given will mean you do exactly the wrong thing for selling to an overseas buyer.
Always use a primary source. In this case the V5C itself.
The reference to INS160 can be found in the notes on the reverse of Section 11 (V5C/4).
Google it and the very first result is the link you just posted.
- https://www.gov.uk/notifying-dvla-if-you-sell-your...Yet another reason never to trust the gov.uk portal.
Following the advice given will mean you do exactly the wrong thing for selling to an overseas buyer.
Always use a primary source. In this case the V5C itself.
The reference to INS160 can be found in the notes on the reverse of Section 11 (V5C/4).
Google it and the very first result is the link you just posted.
JumboBeef said:
The website is unhelpful. Their number just goes through to a recorded message saying "we're too busy at the moment, call back later" and hangs up.
Don't you think I would have tried those options first?
Ring them early in the morning at like 9.30am. Once it hits about 11am they're impossible to get a hold of until about 3.30pm.Don't you think I would have tried those options first?
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