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Seesure

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1,230 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Ignore the date stamp, I need to reset it, but saw this yesterday...

Does anyone know what level of authority is required to move the cones in a closed off layby in the middle of busy roadwork to sit and do some photography...

If I decided to sit there with my video camera, I'm certain I'd soon be moved on....

https://youtu.be/x_4LQ1YRbEo




HantsRat

2,410 posts

138 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Really?

Get over yourself. Emergency services will certainly be allowed move some cones! Yes you would be moved on if you sat there as you do not have an exemption in law as the police and others do.

Edited by HantsRat on Wednesday 13th May 10:38

anotherjohnv

1,292 posts

227 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
Really?

Get over yourself. Emergency services will certainly be allowed move some cones! Yes you would be moved on if you sat there as you do have an exemption in law as the police and others do.
confused

killsta

1,845 posts

258 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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They've more than likely been invited by the HA to keep the 'workers' safe.

Non issue.

HantsRat

2,410 posts

138 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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This police vehicle is parked for a policing purpose (Speed enforcement), therefore they are exempt from parking restrictions.

They cannot park there to eat a sandwich but as they are enforcing the Road Traffic Act it's completely legal and a non issue.

0000

13,966 posts

221 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
Really?

Get over yourself. Emergency services will certainly be allowed move some cones! Yes you would be moved on if you sat there as you do not have an exemption in law as the police and others do.
Just salute if you see a noble emergency camera van tearing through red lights and feel honoured to have been in their esteemed presence. Every second counts for these boys. yes

Seesure

Original Poster:

1,230 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
Really?

Get over yourself. Emergency services will certainly be allowed move some cones! Yes you would be moved on if you sat there as you do not have an exemption in law as the police and others do.

Edited by HantsRat on Wednesday 13th May 10:38
Constructive attitude you have there...

However I would like to ask if a civilian employee of the South Wales Police would be able to have the exemption in law to which you refer, which is likely to be the position of the operative in this van....

HantsRat

2,410 posts

138 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Seesure said:
Constructive attitude you have there...

However I would like to ask if a civilian employee of the South Wales Police would be able to have the exemption in law to which you refer, which is likely to be the position of the operative in this van....
Yes as they are a police employee operating for a legitimate policing purpose.

Cliftonite

8,751 posts

168 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Perhaps they were looking for Lane 2 hoggers?


SK425

1,034 posts

179 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Seesure said:
Constructive attitude you have there...
To be fair, your question was rather bizarre. What on earth did you expect the answer to be?

lbc

3,339 posts

247 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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What speed were you doing OP?

Seesure

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1,230 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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lbc said:
What speed were you doing OP?
High 30s on the speedo... Impossible to go any faster with the traffic in lane 2 wanting to head east on the M4...

lbc

3,339 posts

247 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Seesure said:
lbc said:
What speed were you doing OP?
High 30s on the speedo... Impossible to go any faster with the traffic in lane 2 wanting to head east on the M4...
What are you worried about then?

SK425

1,034 posts

179 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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lbc said:
What are you worried about then?
He seems to be worried about whether the people who are enforcing the law are acting properly or not. That is not something which is only of concern to people who are breaking the law - that's something which is of concern to all of us.

In this particular instance we're talking about camera vans parking where you or I would not be allowed to park. Camera vans do that all the time, all over the place. Given how very very normal it is for them to do that, I think it would be outlandish to imagine that they were not allowed to (hence why I found the OP's particular question bizarre), but the principle that underlies the concern - that those who enforce the law should not act outside the law themselves - is very valid.

speedking31

3,958 posts

166 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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It looks to me that the cones have not been replaced correctly and the beacons are oriented incorrectly, when it gets dark the warnings will be less effective than they should be. I wonder if the camera operators are suitably qualified in the protection of roadworks?

HantsRat

2,410 posts

138 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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SK425 said:
those who enforce the law should not act outside the law themselves - is very valid.
But those who enforce the law have exemptions and different laws applying to them than the average member of the public.

SK425

1,034 posts

179 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
SK425 said:
those who enforce the law should not act outside the law themselves - is very valid.
But those who enforce the law have exemptions and different laws applying to them than the average member of the public.
Of course. I hoped it was clear from my post that I understand that.

Seesure

Original Poster:

1,230 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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SK425 said:
He seems to be worried about whether the people who are enforcing the law are acting properly or not. That is not something which is only of concern to people who are breaking the law - that's something which is of concern to all of us.

In this particular instance we're talking about camera vans parking where you or I would not be allowed to park. Camera vans do that all the time, all over the place. Given how very very normal it is for them to do that, I think it would be outlandish to imagine that they were not allowed to (hence why I found the OP's particular question bizarre), but the principle that underlies the concern - that those who enforce the law should not act outside the law themselves - is very valid.
Pretty much this... and not working in the legal / law enforcement professions I was curious to understand whether specific authority is needed to enter a closed off area of the highway, which is presumably closed for safety reasons, or whether they could do as they please whenever they wanted.

HantsRat

2,410 posts

138 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Seesure said:
Pretty much this... and not working in the legal / law enforcement professions I was curious to understand whether specific authority is needed to enter a closed off area of the highway, which is presumably closed for safety reasons, or whether they could do as they please whenever they wanted.
But you post comes across as very anti-police and just having a moan. Would you of posted this thread with a photo if it was an ambulance stopped at the side of the road in the closed off area? I very much doubt it.

jbsportstech

5,069 posts

209 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Yes they can not unusual for the HA to have an allowance in a project for speed enforcement of a temporary limit with a scheme.

Did they have camera enforcement signs fixed for that road or were they part of the temporary traffic management?