Even the liberals think this one is cack!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4201329.stm
In the film 'Wall Street,' when Charlie Sheen's character asks former Mermaid Darryl Hannah what she does for a living, the all-round lady of resplendant hubba-hubba responds by telling him she's an "interior decorator - great spendor of other peoples' money."
So in a twisted kind of way, Gordon Brown's tenure in the chancery is not dissimilar to those nightmarish spirits at the end of Raiders of The Lost Ark - you could be forgiven for thinking everything's going swimmingly but then suddenly, it all goes to hell.
Not that the dour Jabba du Onze ever remotely resembled anything spiritually uplifting but the commies at No.10 don't seems to realise money does not derive from an inexhaustible, magic well.
Dire!
In the film 'Wall Street,' when Charlie Sheen's character asks former Mermaid Darryl Hannah what she does for a living, the all-round lady of resplendant hubba-hubba responds by telling him she's an "interior decorator - great spendor of other peoples' money."
So in a twisted kind of way, Gordon Brown's tenure in the chancery is not dissimilar to those nightmarish spirits at the end of Raiders of The Lost Ark - you could be forgiven for thinking everything's going swimmingly but then suddenly, it all goes to hell.
Not that the dour Jabba du Onze ever remotely resembled anything spiritually uplifting but the commies at No.10 don't seems to realise money does not derive from an inexhaustible, magic well.
Dire!
Welcome to New Britain.
It's the price to be paid for sucessive generarations of dumbed down and uninspired kids that have had to be accomodated in Labour's going-nowhere multi-everything one common denominator society. Labour know there's no realistic (industrial) future for this country, that's why they are just selling you today's solution with tomorrow's money that they took from you yesterday...
It's the price to be paid for sucessive generarations of dumbed down and uninspired kids that have had to be accomodated in Labour's going-nowhere multi-everything one common denominator society. Labour know there's no realistic (industrial) future for this country, that's why they are just selling you today's solution with tomorrow's money that they took from you yesterday...
I agree with JohnRB - liberals are happy enough to pay millions to turn comprehensives into community colleges. In reality all they need to do to bump up standards in invest a few quid in canes and thrash kids who don't pay attention/bully/sleep/don't do their homework/don't work to an acceptable standard. In practice this policy worked for my father's generation and the mere threat of it worked for mine.
abso-bloody-lutely.
i know this opens a can of squiggly earth munching fishing bait creatures but not everyone is cut out to be a junior einstein, hawkings or rocket scientist. so why does this government persist in trying to cram so many through further education when many are not suited for it. which is not their fault, far from it, they have skills and talents more suited to other paths.
with such a "vibrant" ecconomy (government's words not mine) would it not be better for those less academic to get out there and learn life through a bit of graft, than continually being stuck in "paid" education.
i believe that no education is ever wasted but i remember from school ( i still remember it, just) that many who left at 16 are now in equal or better positions than the university stream.
goes to show.....if you have ability....the talents will come through.
i know this opens a can of squiggly earth munching fishing bait creatures but not everyone is cut out to be a junior einstein, hawkings or rocket scientist. so why does this government persist in trying to cram so many through further education when many are not suited for it. which is not their fault, far from it, they have skills and talents more suited to other paths.
with such a "vibrant" ecconomy (government's words not mine) would it not be better for those less academic to get out there and learn life through a bit of graft, than continually being stuck in "paid" education.
i believe that no education is ever wasted but i remember from school ( i still remember it, just) that many who left at 16 are now in equal or better positions than the university stream.
goes to show.....if you have ability....the talents will come through.
ian d said:
i know this opens a can of squiggly earth munching fishing bait creatures but not everyone is cut out to be a junior einstein, hawkings or rocket scientist. so why does this government persist in trying to cram so many through further education when many are not suited for it. which is not their fault, far from it, they have skills and talents more suited to other paths.
with such a "vibrant" ecconomy (government's words not mine) would it not be better for those less academic to get out there and learn life through a bit of graft, than continually being stuck in "paid" education.
i believe that no education is ever wasted but i remember from school ( i still remember it, just) that many who left at 16 are now in equal or better positions than the university stream.
goes to show.....if you have ability....the talents will come through.
Absolutely, why is it that on one hand we have a shortage of sparkies, plumbers, builders etc whilst on the other the government seems hell-bent on sending as many kids through West Crapshire new University to do a bloody media studies degree?
I despair when I see the words 'Community College'. It just smacks of 'New Labour indoctrination centre'.
IMO schools should offer a much wider range of subjects and far fewer exams. The majority of exams are not for the benefit of the students, the teachers or even the schools - they're for Ofsted and, ultimately, the government, for their further statistics-mongering.
If you could allow kids longer to find out what they're good at without the pressure of exams, you'll be making careers rather than statistics. We have a shortfall of people with technical skills and kids are leaving schools with no real applicable skills, but lots of exam results.
So, my solution?
Get rid of SATs, replace them with teacher's opinion assesments based around the pupils resonse to the tasks in hand. The GCSEs will be more a test of what you know, rather than whether you can cram it all down on paper.
Then get rid of Mickey Mouse McDegrees. You don't need a special diploma to be a hairdresser - you need a vocational course. You don't need a degree in Golf Course management, you need experience. As a result we'll regain the value of the degree and cut down on waste within the system.
IMO schools should offer a much wider range of subjects and far fewer exams. The majority of exams are not for the benefit of the students, the teachers or even the schools - they're for Ofsted and, ultimately, the government, for their further statistics-mongering.
If you could allow kids longer to find out what they're good at without the pressure of exams, you'll be making careers rather than statistics. We have a shortfall of people with technical skills and kids are leaving schools with no real applicable skills, but lots of exam results.
So, my solution?
Get rid of SATs, replace them with teacher's opinion assesments based around the pupils resonse to the tasks in hand. The GCSEs will be more a test of what you know, rather than whether you can cram it all down on paper.
Then get rid of Mickey Mouse McDegrees. You don't need a special diploma to be a hairdresser - you need a vocational course. You don't need a degree in Golf Course management, you need experience. As a result we'll regain the value of the degree and cut down on waste within the system.
That is so stupid. What about the kids who have the motivation to stay all the way through, get jobs, become productive members of society? They get no thanks, no accollade, but rather end up, as adults, paying the bill for those children of their ne'er-do-well former classmates. Let's not give positive reinforcement for deadbeat behavior. Or, more importantly, let's quit giving praise and reward to minimal performance that should be standard and expected. We shouldn't pay people to take advantage of a free education. They owe it to themselves and society to use it. It is the foundation of a more stable society that education, and hence earning power, not be relegated to the wealthy and aristocratic. That's why there is a free, minimal level of education funded by the government: to put citizens, regardless of class, on some even footing, and to shift from a heirarchy of money and birth to a meritocracy. Of course, it has it's economic limits which is why college isn't free to everyone.
Are we also going to provide monetary encouragement to potential thieves so they won't steal, potential liars so they won't commit perjury? As a society, there is a right to expect people to tell the truth, not steal, and attempt, in good faith, to honestly support themselves. The idea of having to pay extra for what should be a basic standard of human behavior is a concession of defeat. It's similar to the ludicrous concept of rewarding people for NOT committing crimes, rather than punishing those who commit them. We shouldn't reward people for not dropping out, rather, for not committing to this basic societal obligation, they should experience the comparitive punishment of small employment opportunity and lower standard of living for their intent to take advantage of others (living on the dole).
I don't know what the drop-out rate here is, but one way to encourage kids to stay in school is that most jobs require a high-school diploma or equivalent, but more importantly, the benefits of being on public assistance must be significantly less appealing than the pay and quality of life that comes from self sufficiency and completing school. Until people really see that being on the dole is not the life they want, they are going to continue to take advantage of the real earners. And, unfortunately, these people vote. They have a vote without having to pay taxes. Everyone who votes should have to pay something: no one should get something for nothing. It's bad for everyone, including the parasites themselves.
Sorry for the rant.
>> Edited by seafarer on Monday 24th January 17:51
Are we also going to provide monetary encouragement to potential thieves so they won't steal, potential liars so they won't commit perjury? As a society, there is a right to expect people to tell the truth, not steal, and attempt, in good faith, to honestly support themselves. The idea of having to pay extra for what should be a basic standard of human behavior is a concession of defeat. It's similar to the ludicrous concept of rewarding people for NOT committing crimes, rather than punishing those who commit them. We shouldn't reward people for not dropping out, rather, for not committing to this basic societal obligation, they should experience the comparitive punishment of small employment opportunity and lower standard of living for their intent to take advantage of others (living on the dole).
I don't know what the drop-out rate here is, but one way to encourage kids to stay in school is that most jobs require a high-school diploma or equivalent, but more importantly, the benefits of being on public assistance must be significantly less appealing than the pay and quality of life that comes from self sufficiency and completing school. Until people really see that being on the dole is not the life they want, they are going to continue to take advantage of the real earners. And, unfortunately, these people vote. They have a vote without having to pay taxes. Everyone who votes should have to pay something: no one should get something for nothing. It's bad for everyone, including the parasites themselves.
Sorry for the rant.
>> Edited by seafarer on Monday 24th January 17:51
I worked on this project....whilst I did not particularly believe in needing financial encouragement to better ones self.....
Kids only get the bonus if they have very good attendance
They only get the bonus if they meet their learning objectives (bit more subjective that one)
The majority of the kids on these are doing vocational courses
Many of the kids elegible for & claiming EMA would be on the dole & costing us more.
It is too early to say at the moment but the indication is that there will be more kids staying on to do vocational courses and going out to find work in those areas.
Kids only get the bonus if they have very good attendance
They only get the bonus if they meet their learning objectives (bit more subjective that one)
The majority of the kids on these are doing vocational courses
Many of the kids elegible for & claiming EMA would be on the dole & costing us more.
It is too early to say at the moment but the indication is that there will be more kids staying on to do vocational courses and going out to find work in those areas.
It's not exactly the same story as this, but I remember a year (maybe a couple of years actually) ago, there was something on the news along the lines of rewarding truants who improve their attendance to school.
If they turned up at school for all 5 days in a week, they'd get a £30 cash bonus for it. But what about all the people who went to school anyway...In all my years at school, I never had a *single* unauthorised absence. Not once, nada, zilch, zip.
And now I'm being bent over by the government at uni with my student loan (which would have been a grant a few years previously), and tuition fees, while the guys who got £30 a week at school continue to get handouts for sitting on their arses doing nothing...
I despair really...
If they turned up at school for all 5 days in a week, they'd get a £30 cash bonus for it. But what about all the people who went to school anyway...In all my years at school, I never had a *single* unauthorised absence. Not once, nada, zilch, zip.
And now I'm being bent over by the government at uni with my student loan (which would have been a grant a few years previously), and tuition fees, while the guys who got £30 a week at school continue to get handouts for sitting on their arses doing nothing...
I despair really...
Problem with socialism is that it gives you nothing to aspire to - in fact, if you do seek to better yourself, the message is that you're exploiting others/destroying the environment/being a capitalist pig and will be taxed into mediochre submission.
Yet what deterrent is there for being a dropout and not giving a s
t?
Nothing.
No wonder they've resorted to this.
Yet what deterrent is there for being a dropout and not giving a s
t? Nothing.
No wonder they've resorted to this.
well, i live in (s)Cumnock, the heartland of socialism. We were the first to get these payments some years ago, just as i was the right age....
Never kept anyone i know at school, but it did buy and insure me my first car - a BRG mini - so i'm forever grateful. And it was £40 back then, feckin labour gov....
Never kept anyone i know at school, but it did buy and insure me my first car - a BRG mini - so i'm forever grateful. And it was £40 back then, feckin labour gov....
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