Who has driven an early 1970s Carrera?
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I have developed recently something of a longing for lightness and simplicity within the 911 world, after reading a test in classic magazine on a 911 2.4 targa model. The oldest I have ever experienced in 911 terms was a 1988 G model though.
What I am looking for is really a fun car to drive, simplicity, directness, smell of oil, swiftness without necessarily being fast in absolute terms and so on. There are no practical requirements, as I use public transport or my other cars to get to the places I need to go to, so it's purely for enjoyable weekend motoring in the sunshine.
Now I am wondering, has anyone on here had a drive in one of the early 70s cars (ideally a 2.4), or even owns one, and can share the experience here?
Bonus question: is the world of 2.7 RS clones (based on same-age non-RS models) worth looking into?
Added: I currently have a 997.1 RS and have a 991 RS confirmed for Feb '16.
What I am looking for is really a fun car to drive, simplicity, directness, smell of oil, swiftness without necessarily being fast in absolute terms and so on. There are no practical requirements, as I use public transport or my other cars to get to the places I need to go to, so it's purely for enjoyable weekend motoring in the sunshine.
Now I am wondering, has anyone on here had a drive in one of the early 70s cars (ideally a 2.4), or even owns one, and can share the experience here?
Bonus question: is the world of 2.7 RS clones (based on same-age non-RS models) worth looking into?
Added: I currently have a 997.1 RS and have a 991 RS confirmed for Feb '16.
freemax said:
I have developed recently something of a longing for lightness and simplicity within the 911 world, after reading a test in classic magazine on a 911 2.4 targa model. The oldest I have ever experienced in 911 terms was a 1988 G model though.
What I am looking for is really a fun car to drive, simplicity, directness, smell of oil, swiftness without necessarily being fast in absolute terms and so on. There are no practical requirements, as I use public transport or my other cars to get to the places I need to go to, so it's purely for enjoyable weekend motoring in the sunshine.
Now I am wondering, has anyone on here had a drive in one of the early 70s cars (ideally a 2.4), or even owns one, and can share the experience here?
Bonus question: is the world of 2.7 RS clones (based on same-age non-RS models) worth looking into?
Added: I currently have a 997.1 RS and have a 991 RS confirmed for Feb '16.
A world of difference between your 997 and an 70';s car to the point where it may be a shock.What I am looking for is really a fun car to drive, simplicity, directness, smell of oil, swiftness without necessarily being fast in absolute terms and so on. There are no practical requirements, as I use public transport or my other cars to get to the places I need to go to, so it's purely for enjoyable weekend motoring in the sunshine.
Now I am wondering, has anyone on here had a drive in one of the early 70s cars (ideally a 2.4), or even owns one, and can share the experience here?
Bonus question: is the world of 2.7 RS clones (based on same-age non-RS models) worth looking into?
Added: I currently have a 997.1 RS and have a 991 RS confirmed for Feb '16.
Go 964 aircooled is my advice. Still Value compared to the 70's cars still with aircooled charm but civilized to drive
PorscheGT4 said:
20k refresh on \ 964 lol
issue is traders buy every cheap 964 then do them up and punt them out at £40+ k
very hard to find nice ones now esp in the £20k bracket.
great buy though, I wish I had bought a 964 and nice era.
You are not wrong very easily done but can happen with a 70's car too I would imagine.issue is traders buy every cheap 964 then do them up and punt them out at £40+ k
very hard to find nice ones now esp in the £20k bracket.
great buy though, I wish I had bought a 964 and nice era.
Get it checked best policy and learn who to avoid !
You can put £60k into a old car they need a full strip and a expert to refill the body, any cheap build will be dire.
My mate has a very rare 1967 and it swallows money, on the plus side it's value has gone to crazy levels so £60k to build it now seems nothing when you look at the return of £250k
I wonder what these tarted up 964 have really had which fetch £45k top end engine rebuild and respray ! I doubt they are fully stripped which they prob need now.
My mate has a very rare 1967 and it swallows money, on the plus side it's value has gone to crazy levels so £60k to build it now seems nothing when you look at the return of £250k
I wonder what these tarted up 964 have really had which fetch £45k top end engine rebuild and respray ! I doubt they are fully stripped which they prob need now.
freemax said:
It is really only the touch & feel of the 1970s car when driving it that I am curious about. :-)
This sort of feedback (from one of the 991GT3RS threads)? Perhaps worth a PM for more info:Robbo66 said:
My GT3 is big enough, more than fast enough and difficult to unsettle unless at warp speeds on a track. Drifting a corner at 120 +...I'm not good enough so no thanks.
As a road car out for a Sunday thrash through the hills, its good....but I reach for the keys of the 73 every time, as I did last Sunday as that is epic.
Why ?...because its more 'fun' on this type of road....way, way more fun.
For me the essence of 911 is the simple, lightweight cars tooAs a road car out for a Sunday thrash through the hills, its good....but I reach for the keys of the 73 every time, as I did last Sunday as that is epic.
Why ?...because its more 'fun' on this type of road....way, way more fun.
I have driven a 1972 2.4 E, a 1973 2.8 2.7 RS copy which was then turned into a 2.8 RSR lookalike with 298bhp, and a 1979 3.3 turbo.
This was all in the 80’s however, but my memory is fairly good regarding these cars.
The 2.4E at that time was a revelation, light, nimble, great revvy engine and
G-box and not too bad around the bends, so long as like all 911’s especially early ones you don’t arrive too fast and expect it to handle like a Mk 2 Escort ! Way too much front bias on the brakes though along with a light front end meant in dampish roads + braking was a bit precarious.
The 2.8 2.7 rep was the same only a fair bit faster and just better all round. I fitted a simple 5 position brake bias lever in the front brake line which increased rearward brake bias and the difference was MASSIVE and predictable.
2.8 RSR rep spec was on another level especially with some decent Bilstein rear shockers, no more unsettling turn in and more confidence to attack the corners [ this was on track ] car was driven everywhere though.
3.3 turbo went like hell but was bloody scary around the corners!
As with all 911’s, set up is king.
You will find them very raw compared with later versions, but like all old cars especially 911’s they have a lot of charm and you can have fun safely inside the speed limits
This was all in the 80’s however, but my memory is fairly good regarding these cars.
The 2.4E at that time was a revelation, light, nimble, great revvy engine and
G-box and not too bad around the bends, so long as like all 911’s especially early ones you don’t arrive too fast and expect it to handle like a Mk 2 Escort ! Way too much front bias on the brakes though along with a light front end meant in dampish roads + braking was a bit precarious.
The 2.8 2.7 rep was the same only a fair bit faster and just better all round. I fitted a simple 5 position brake bias lever in the front brake line which increased rearward brake bias and the difference was MASSIVE and predictable.
2.8 RSR rep spec was on another level especially with some decent Bilstein rear shockers, no more unsettling turn in and more confidence to attack the corners [ this was on track ] car was driven everywhere though.
3.3 turbo went like hell but was bloody scary around the corners!
As with all 911’s, set up is king.
You will find them very raw compared with later versions, but like all old cars especially 911’s they have a lot of charm and you can have fun safely inside the speed limits
I've owned a RS clone based on a 72 E and been in and driven others.
Once I got my RS clone to run properly it was superb. Light, laugh out loud fun. I also recently drove an early IB hot rod (this one which was a short stroke 3.2 with brilliantly compliant and well set up suspension. I just had to throw it at every corner I came to. It was utterly brilliant. Unbelievable. I very recently went in an ST clone made from a 72 car and it was hateful. Noisy, heavy and the hardest suspension known to man. Quite quick, but who on earth would want a road car like that? After 10 mins, stopping and getting out was bliss. I never want to go in it again.
So yes backdates, clones, the real thing can all be brilliant, but they can also be so wrong. Of course YMMV.
Bert
This was the brilliant IB...
Once I got my RS clone to run properly it was superb. Light, laugh out loud fun. I also recently drove an early IB hot rod (this one which was a short stroke 3.2 with brilliantly compliant and well set up suspension. I just had to throw it at every corner I came to. It was utterly brilliant. Unbelievable. I very recently went in an ST clone made from a 72 car and it was hateful. Noisy, heavy and the hardest suspension known to man. Quite quick, but who on earth would want a road car like that? After 10 mins, stopping and getting out was bliss. I never want to go in it again.
So yes backdates, clones, the real thing can all be brilliant, but they can also be so wrong. Of course YMMV.
Bert
This was the brilliant IB...
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