Speed Camera Tolerance
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cliff123

Original Poster:

458 posts

271 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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What is the tolerance of a speed camera before it takes a picture? Have just passed a camera (a on coming camera which flashes in your eyes, nice and safe! and photographs the front of your car) at 44/45mph on a 40mph road. This seems a low margin of speeding to get 3 points for. Anyone got any thoughts? Do cameras ever just go off without actually issuing pictures?

deeen

6,408 posts

274 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Gatso sometimes flash as you drive towards them but they only "do" you from behind. If it was one of those, you're OK. If it was Truvelo, not sure.

v8thunder

27,647 posts

287 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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I's 10% plus one, so:

23 in a 20
34 in a 30
45 in a 40
56 in a 50
67 in a 60
78 in a 70

...won't trigger a GATSO, but I wouldn't bet against a truvelo or a mobile unit snapping you, plus if the Police literally catch you in the act (patrol car keeping up) you're toast.

TBH I don't think these tolerances are too bad, but my problem is pointless lowering of speed limits (long-standing 60s to 50s/50s to 40s/40s to 30s, with barely any signposting).

cliff123

Original Poster:

458 posts

271 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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The camera flashed twice as I passed. (I was looking straight into it when it gave off a nice second blinding flash). It was on the opposite side of the road, which would make me think that it was photographing the traffic in the opposite direction, expect there was no one else there. There were no markings on the road or camera warning signs in the direction I was traveling, though there were in the opposite direction. So annoying. This is a straight 1 mile road which as you say goes from 40 to 50 and back to 40. Guess time will tell.

griffter

4,143 posts

284 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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I saw a cat set a camera off once! There were no moving cars in sight. I have absolutely no faith in the things at all as a result. Unless the cat really was exceeding 30mph - at a mere trot...

SotonS2

14,712 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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cliff123 said:
There were no markings on the road or camera warning signs in the direction I was traveling, though there were in the opposite direction.


If it was a Gatso then you'll be in the clear - AIUI road markings are needed as part of the photographic evidence. Markings on the other side probably means the camera was only set for rear detection on that side of the road.

If it was Truvelo then you should have seen three narrow bands on the road immediately in front of the camera. Unlikely though - Truvelo units tend to be forward facing and kerbside to the oncoming traffic.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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v8thunder said:
I's 10% plus one, so:

23 in a 20
34 in a 30
45 in a 40
56 in a 50
67 in a 60
78 in a 70

...won't trigger a GATSO, but I wouldn't bet against a truvelo or a mobile unit snapping you, plus if the Police literally catch you in the act (patrol car keeping up) you're toast.

TBH I don't think these tolerances are too bad, but my problem is pointless lowering of speed limits (long-standing 60s to 50s/50s to 40s/40s to 30s, with barely any signposting).


10% + 2, but only a guideline that they seem to ignore now.

Gatso near me has done two I know at 32, Truvelo at 34.

gh0st

4,693 posts

287 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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I have been done at 33 in a 30 and 77 in a 70.

Hence I am a little bitter....

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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10% plus 2mph....

A truvelo will flash at you if you trip it...

docjan

140 posts

261 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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33 mph? couldn't you contest a bull crap flash like that?

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Absolutely...
Firstly....there are NO cameras in my county that will activate less than 10%+2mph...Fact...

ACPO guidelines are 10% plus 2mph.....so I would have contested 33 in a 30....bizarre...really bizarre..

camera or copper?

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Absolutely...
Firstly....there are NO cameras in my county that will activate less than 10%+2mph...Fact...

ACPO guidelines are 10% plus 2mph.....so I would have contested 33 in a 30....bizarre...really bizarre..

camera or copper?

sotonS2

14,712 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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docjan said:
33 mph? couldn't you contest a bull crap flash like that?


Brunstrom and his North Welsh zero tolerance policy would brand you a criminal for doing 31.


g_attrill

9,044 posts

275 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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If anybody has proof of safety camera partnerships prosecuting at less than ACPO guidelines then Paul Smith will always be interested.

Most partnerships have their trigger levels set above the ACPO guidelines, but some (Hampshire in particular) operate at the +10% +2mph, although they like to keep quiet about that.

Gareth

safespeed

2,983 posts

303 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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g_attrill said:
If anybody has proof of safety camera partnerships prosecuting at less than ACPO guidelines then Paul Smith will always be interested.


That's correct. I've been asking for years and I haven't seen evidence yet.

johndoc2000

49 posts

293 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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You may have been flashed by a Gatso!! (But how..?? I was going towards it!!??)
Its a shame we can't tell which ones, but not all the Gatso's are the real deal. On the dummies, they put cheaper workings in there. Enough to make us think we've been done but it doesn't monitor the section of road its meant to be pointing at properly hence you get done way off in the other lane. It won't detect the speed properly either, hence the low speed flash.
I've been snapped loads of times in this way. Cruel but many's a poor sod in the lane thats meant to be monitored doing 39 in a 40 has been snapped by me coming towards him at 50

supraman2954

3,241 posts

268 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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gh0st said:
I have been done at 33 in a 30 and 77 in a 70.

Hence I am a little bitter....
Pleased give us details gh0st; I've never heard of anyone being NIPped for less than 80 in a 70. It's worrying if true

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Humberside will do you for 79mph on the motorway...but that is the flat minimum anywhere...ie: 10%+2mph

nonegreen

7,803 posts

299 months

Thursday 27th January 2005
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I have zero tollerance for death cameras and the death theft partnerships that opperate them.

Commit it to memory

Speed cameras Kill


Enough is Enough

kevinday

13,833 posts

309 months

Thursday 27th January 2005
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Cumbria issued at least one NIP for 79 on the motorway last year.