RE: Motorsport on Monday: 08/06/2015
RE: Motorsport on Monday: 08/06/2015
Monday 8th June 2015

Motorsport on Monday: 08/06/2015

Amateurism in Canada, missing Marquez and BTCC's ballast boost



Kimi didn't catch it with a dab of oppo. And then came back and blamed the torque map. If ever you needed an illustration of how far removed F1 cars are from normal cars, it's this. A rogue piece of code caught out a former world champion and left him looking a little bit amateurish. And he wasn't the only one.

Vettel passes a frustrated Alonso
Vettel passes a frustrated Alonso
Lotus's Grosjean cut up Manor's Will Stevens and cut up his tyre (and got a five-second penalty) as recompense. Hard-charging overtakes ended up using the final corner escape road rather than either giving quarter even when clearly over the limit. And, most revealing of all, two-time champ and now-perennial backmarker Fernando Alonso railed on the team radio about 'looking like an amateur' during the race. Why? Because he was tooling around in 13th place or something - and then told by the team to slow down and save fuel.

That's probably why he battled so hard with man-on-a-mission Vettel, to spice up another otherwise frustrating race. He gave what for and then some, before Ferrari's horses made mincemeat of Honda's down-on-power motor. Inefficient AND weak? it's currently about as far from being a proper Honda motor as can be. Bit of a contrast to the Civic Type R road car, that's for sure. On the launch Matt Neal told me the engine was willing to give plenty more than 310hp at the drop of a hat. Maybe road car engineers should cross over to race car, rather than the traditional other way around...

Well what other result did you expect?
Well what other result did you expect?
Speaking of saving fuel, even the Mercs were at it: an unexpected Bluetec-like efficiency drive, particularly for Hamilton who was told, like a pupil under instruction, to 'lift and coast'. And lift and coast some more when the trip computer's range was still showing negative. Somewhat makes a mockery of these V6 hybrids being 'green', doesn't it? And surely it leaves the door open for someone to really focus on fuel efficiency and then allow their drivers to race all the others into the lead when they're pegged back on fuel saving mode?

Mind you, those purists who say such driving is not like the good old days should remember that we had just this sort of thing in the 80s too. With similar frustration from the drivers. Remember Mansell at Silverstone in '87? He said the dash readout was reading negative for the last lap, but still he didn't peg it back. High stakes low fuel light lottery indeed; thank goodness he won.

MotoGP: where's Marc Marquez?
Valentino Rossi is currently points leader in MotoGP, with six races down and 12 to go. Champ Marc Marquez? Way back in fifth, 49 points behind Rossi, a situation #46 says is "unbelievable". He's certainly had a rum run of luck but it's got to turn at some point. As the other guys point out, he's more than once proved how much speed he and his factory Honda possess. Rossi's waiting for it, for one: the rest of us should look forward to quite the summer of MotoGP action.

But if it's action you're after...
But if it's action you're after...
BTCC battles
A lively weekend at Oulton Park saw some smart racing throughout to leave things tantalisingly tight in the points table: 13 points separate Jason Plato, Gordon Shedden, Matt Neal and Andrew Jordan. And with success ballast, tyre variances and Alan Gow's ongoing success of such uber-closely-matched cars, it's a close season ahead for the touring car boys, too.

Also present on the Type R launch, Gordon Shedden told me equalisation of turbo cars and success ballast can sometimes go a bit far for the racers. But it still overcomes a perrenial dilemma impacting on the drama and spectacle of motorsport - namely the fastest guy having the fastest car, starting from the front and then clearing off into the distance. That's why so many fans like BTCC racing; purists shouldn't grumble as it is, in one sense, a purer form of motor racing than many others - the guys have to race one another each and every time. Rather than rely on a fast car to ease them into a title.

Which would you rather watch, the snooze-fest of Canada or three energising races from Oulton Park - with a plethora of support races thrown in for free too? No wonder BTCC circuit gates are swelling.







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Dion20vt

Original Poster:

252 posts

178 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Mclaren Honda need to do something to improve! In fairness Honda came into F1 a year too early

Ryvita

722 posts

226 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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"Which would you rather watch, the snooze-fest of Canada or three energising races from Oulton Park - with a plethora of support races thrown in for free too? No wonder BTCC circuit gates are swelling."

Agree wholeheartedly. BTCC coverage is so much better value than F1 - more actual racing drama per hour.

I think the Junior Ginetta racing is a good add to the programme too. Perhaps because of the less experienced drivers (still fantastic skill though!) there tend to be more mistakes made and more back and forth? The porsches were going at it hammer and tongs too. smile

Harby74

56 posts

123 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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I'd rather suffer being forced to watch Gems TV for 3 hours than watch F1, BTCC on the other hand is excellent and I go and watch the racing at Brands Hatch when I can, or watch it on TV.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

244 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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As droopy as F1 is at the moment, it is preferable to banger racing.

Ryvita

722 posts

226 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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stephen300o said:
banger racing.
I think that's doing a disservice to the level of professionalism of the teams and drivers in BTCC but each to their own. F1 has certain technical advancement going for it I guess, but in terms of actual racing there can be thrilling, hard-fought racing at any level from karting upwards surely?

marshall100

1,124 posts

217 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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I'm going to stick my neck out a bit hear and say that all racing yesterday was poor value. Croft suffers from being a bit thin to overtake, Canada was just dull, and the TT was lost to me when Mr Martins BMW limped off the road seemingly 500 yards into the first lap.

Shame really as it was a feast of racing on the menu, and all I came away with was a puck of gristle.

Clios were good value, even though that seemed a bit more banger racing than anything else.

Krikkit

27,536 posts

197 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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marshall100 said:
I'm going to stick my neck out a bit hear and say that all racing yesterday was poor value. Croft suffers from being a bit thin to overtake, Canada was just dull, and the TT was lost to me when Mr Martins BMW limped off the road seemingly 500 yards into the first lap.

Shame really as it was a feast of racing on the menu, and all I came away with was a puck of gristle.

Clios were good value, even though that seemed a bit more banger racing than anything else.
The BTCC was at Oulton FYI.

MG CHRIS

9,309 posts

183 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Krikkit said:
marshall100 said:
I'm going to stick my neck out a bit hear and say that all racing yesterday was poor value. Croft suffers from being a bit thin to overtake, Canada was just dull, and the TT was lost to me when Mr Martins BMW limped off the road seemingly 500 yards into the first lap.

Shame really as it was a feast of racing on the menu, and all I came away with was a puck of gristle.

Clios were good value, even though that seemed a bit more banger racing than anything else.
The BTCC was at Oulton FYI.
LOL. Do agree with the poor racing but oulton park has never really produced great racing in the btcc and with the new cars bigger than previous generation btcc cars makes it even worse. Which is at odds with the first 3 rds which were filled with action.
F1 is dull as dish water though this coming from a huge f1 fan sorry but rather watch wec/btcc than f1 these days.

marshall100

1,124 posts

217 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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My bad, that's how instantly forgetable it was.


I'll get my coat.