Questions for house electricians
Questions for house electricians
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nighthawk

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1,757 posts

267 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Do we have any electricians among us?

I'm a little curious as to the average voltage found within the household electrical system.

I say curious because I seem to be noticing some odd things.

My TV has a random habit of switching to stand by and then back on again (in the space of a second or so)without any inter action on my part, My original thoughts were spurious Ir signals or signals from the vcr and sky box, but these have all been eliminated now.

The TV has been checked twice at my expense without a fault being detected, some times it'll occur 4 or 5 times in the space of a minute, and then go for weeks without a problem, other times it'll just do it once and again stay fine for 6 weeks or so.

The random nature and the No fault found situation makes me think harder about the AC supply. I recently renewed the house smoke alarms (A/C powered) as one failed, while wiring the new ones up I noticed that the supply voltage at the multi plug for the unit was 215 V A/C

I was always lead to believe it was between 220/240 V

tonight, the Tv has done it's stuff and the wife reports that the oven sounds slower than normal (it's a fan oven......i was suprised at that as I thought it was gas ) and the lights appear dimmer probably just a coinceidence though.

Anyone have an idea on their supply voltage.....or have I just been given the reason to lose the 32" widescreen in favour of a frappin huuuuuuuge LCD/plasma hang on the wall jobby.

markmullen

15,877 posts

257 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Only one reason for this strange behaviour.

Its time to call

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

291 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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wedge girl

4,688 posts

262 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Obviously they are not pedalling fast enough at your power station.

rsvmilly

11,288 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Or .....

rsvmilly

11,288 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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On a more serious note, the AC varies between about -240 to 50V to + 240 to 50. IIRC the RMS is about 230V - basically the 'average' voltage based on the amount of power you can draw, using Power = Current x Voltage.

chrisgr31

14,210 posts

278 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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I was discussing this with a friend at the weekend. He said that since we changed from our own standards to European ones the reliability of the supply has dropped.

If you want to see the supply get a UPS with allows you to monitor the supply. We do it at work and its amazing how much the supply varies over 24 hours

BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Can you borrow a computer UPS? Most have software that graphs your actual supply. It sounds like you are getting a momentary "brown out" ( Leave it Vixpy1 ) and the sag in voltage is causing the device to go back into standby.

Vixpy1

42,697 posts

287 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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BliarOut said:
Can you borrow a computer UPS? Most have software that graphs your actual supply. It sounds like you are getting a momentary "brown out" ( Leave it Vixpy1 ) and the sag in voltage is causing the device to go back into standby.


Do they ever have brown outs at the oxo tower?

Vixpy1

42,697 posts

287 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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You wouldn't let it lie

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arcturus

1,496 posts

286 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Returning to the subject in hand (fnaar, fnaar) my UPS logs show the supply voltage varies from 227 to 248 over a 24 hour period with the high point in the middle of the night /early hours and the low point at 1715-1830. There is another dip at breakfast but only down to 232V.

The frequency also varies between 50 and 48Hz but this seems pretty random in my logs.

nighthawk

Original Poster:

1,757 posts

267 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Thanks for the replies, even the comedy ones

I've been messing about with my multimeter again and the voltage still reads 215Vac.

I don't think I can get a UPS in to the home, but i've found a gadget at maplin which plugs into the wall socket and then the consumer plugs into the gadget.....getting to the point, said gadget has an LCD on it which shows the voltage.

might be worth doing some digging into this, she who MUST be obeyed gets rather distressed when she can't watch UKfood

lanciachris

3,357 posts

264 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Bought 8 ups' at a computer auction for £20.

Admittedly, they were ancient and would only keep the pcs going for about 10 minutes, but all we wanted them for was to allow save/shut down.

nighthawk

Original Poster:

1,757 posts

267 months

Wednesday 26th January 2005
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Dave

Money isn't a problem......it's getting yet another piece of electronics into the house

woody

2,189 posts

307 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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The electricity supply regulations state the following:

Electricity Supply Regs said:




Pre-Jan 1995

nominal voltage = 240V

Permitted tolerence = plus 6% / minus 6%

Permitted voltage range = 225.6 - 254.4V

Jan 1995

nominal voltage = 230V

Permitted tolerence = plus 10% / minus 6%

Permitted voltage range = 216.2 - 253.0V


Jan 2008 (proposed)

Nominal voltage = 230V

Permitted tolerence = plus 10% / minus 10%

Permitted voltage range = 207.0 - 253.0V





Although you will find that the voltage generated at the power stations hasn't changed (would mean getting all new generators!!), the permitted 'nominal voltage' has changed.

This shouldn't affect your appliances as they should be manufactured to standards to work down to the lowest permitted voltage.

If you are lower than the permitted range I would speak to you electricity supplier as there may be a problem with the supply.

Hope this helps

Chris