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rufmeister said:
Been offered a 100k 1999 T 996 Tiptronic in swap for my S6.
Not knowing much about them, thought I'd ask in here.
Car has history, dealer and specialist.
What should I be looking for?
Is the Tiptronic an ok box?
What prompted the offer of a swap?Not knowing much about them, thought I'd ask in here.
Car has history, dealer and specialist.
What should I be looking for?
Is the Tiptronic an ok box?
A Tip transmission is an ok box provided of course the Tip transmission is ok.
What you should be looking for is everything.
Arrange to visit the car with everything cold and then start the engine and let it idle while you walk around checking the outside appearance of the car. When you start the engine be sure all warning lights -- including the CEL -- come on then go off. (I have the ABS warning light taped over on my Boxster and unless you really look you can't spot the tape.)
As the engine idles keep an ear tuned listening for any "scary" noises.
After some minutes of idling then have the seller take you on a 15 mile test ride. The route should give the driver a chance to drive the car as you intend to drive it.
Back at the starting point then you drive the car over the same route driving the the same way.
Be sure the Tip shifts ok under all conditions. Give it a k u-turn test in order to switch from drive to reverse and back again several times. Be sure the engine makes full boost. This is hard to test as of course extremely hard acceleration is called for. The engine *must* be warmed up fully. You do not want to try to get full boost on a partially warmed up engine.
The engine should pull like a freight train on meth then afterwards resume normal operation, idle speed, with no drama, no hunting idle, or noises, or any thing out of the ordinary.
Hot idle oil pressure can run from say 1.5 bar to 2 bar. The pressure gage is not that good a device but based on various posts that is the normal "range". Any lower could be a cause for concern from possibly a "worn" engine or the owner has the wrong oil in the engine. A too high a pressure could be the owner has a heavy oil in the engine possibly to mask a low oil pressure problem or a ticky engine.
After your test drive if you still like the car give it a thorough used car check out. Assume nothing works until you confirm it does work.
After all of the above if you believe you can buy the car for an agreeable sum of money arrange for a PPI. Among other things this has the car in the air and thoroughly checked for any leaks. Since the engine spent nearly an hour running during your letting it idle and during the test ride then drive this should give any leak plenty of time to make itself known but one has to look.
anonymous said:
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May I suggest that you firstly drive a 996 manual? That way you get to compare Tip with manual to decide which one you'd prefer? I don't know what your car is worth, but bare in mind that a 996 with Tip is not as desirable as a manual and thus not worth as much. I've seen Tips matching the spec of the car you're looking at at sub £10k recently.
I can comment having had a tip which was then bought by a fellow PHer on here (belfry I think?).
They apparently have a tendency to become lazy over time, my C4 would be in 5th by 30mph unless you were accelerating quickly (they only have 5 gears). I understand that disconnecting the battery for a few hours reset the gearbox and restored some urgency, if I'd known that I'd have done it myself a year earlier!
In day to day use it was nice and relaxing, the kickdown was a neat system (one half prod to drop a gear, all the way down to drop as many cogs as possible). You can drive in manual and press the (IMHO impractical buttons on the wheel).
If you've driven modern flappy paddle stuff then it will seem quite old fashioned. When hooning I'd have liked a manual but taking it out of auto mode was a decent compromise.
They apparently have a tendency to become lazy over time, my C4 would be in 5th by 30mph unless you were accelerating quickly (they only have 5 gears). I understand that disconnecting the battery for a few hours reset the gearbox and restored some urgency, if I'd known that I'd have done it myself a year earlier!
In day to day use it was nice and relaxing, the kickdown was a neat system (one half prod to drop a gear, all the way down to drop as many cogs as possible). You can drive in manual and press the (IMHO impractical buttons on the wheel).
If you've driven modern flappy paddle stuff then it will seem quite old fashioned. When hooning I'd have liked a manual but taking it out of auto mode was a decent compromise.
Please don't be out off by the purists comments regarding the tiptronic boxes - these still are a very pleasant drive and suitable for commuting and everyday use.
Not everyone wants a manual, non sunroof C2 etc which this site would have you believe - just try a few and see what suits
Kind regards
Not everyone wants a manual, non sunroof C2 etc which this site would have you believe - just try a few and see what suits
Kind regards
mikeyr said:
I can comment having had a tip which was then bought by a fellow PHer on here (belfry I think?).
They apparently have a tendency to become lazy over time, my C4 would be in 5th by 30mph unless you were accelerating quickly (they only have 5 gears). I understand that disconnecting the battery for a few hours reset the gearbox and restored some urgency, if I'd known that I'd have done it myself a year earlier!
In day to day use it was nice and relaxing, the kickdown was a neat system (one half prod to drop a gear, all the way down to drop as many cogs as possible). You can drive in manual and press the (IMHO impractical buttons on the wheel).
If you've driven modern flappy paddle stuff then it will seem quite old fashioned. When hooning I'd have liked a manual but taking it out of auto mode was a decent compromise.
It's adaptive, if you start driving quickly it will become more responsive automatically.They apparently have a tendency to become lazy over time, my C4 would be in 5th by 30mph unless you were accelerating quickly (they only have 5 gears). I understand that disconnecting the battery for a few hours reset the gearbox and restored some urgency, if I'd known that I'd have done it myself a year earlier!
In day to day use it was nice and relaxing, the kickdown was a neat system (one half prod to drop a gear, all the way down to drop as many cogs as possible). You can drive in manual and press the (IMHO impractical buttons on the wheel).
If you've driven modern flappy paddle stuff then it will seem quite old fashioned. When hooning I'd have liked a manual but taking it out of auto mode was a decent compromise.
WinstonWolf said:
It's adaptive, if you start driving quickly it will become more responsive automatically.
Yep, but the earlier versions would refuse to "unadapt" if subjected to a lot of town driving (mine lived in London prior to my ownership). There is a later module that apparently doesn't do this.mikeyr said:
WinstonWolf said:
It's adaptive, if you start driving quickly it will become more responsive automatically.
Yep, but the earlier versions would refuse to "unadapt" if subjected to a lot of town driving (mine lived in London prior to my ownership). There is a later module that apparently doesn't do this.
mikeyr said:
Yep, but the earlier versions would refuse to "unadapt" if subjected to a lot of town driving (mine lived in London prior to my ownership). There is a later module that apparently doesn't do this.
Rather than a later module, perhaps you are referring to the later tiptronic box? 3.4 996 has a ZF box, whilst 3.6 has a Mercedes box.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff