engine replacement....
Discussion
Does anyone know what the rules and regs are vis-a-vis engine replacements? I seem to recall that things had changed making this harder than it used to be - if for example I wanted to put a 2.9 cosworth v6 into a 1600 Capri a few years ago that seemed to be all fine as long as the DVLA informed. IIRC these days you need to produce reams of paperwork to prove that the replacement engine was legit...
Anyone know the ins and outs here?
Anyone know the ins and outs here?
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I wasn't decrying the whys anyone can figure that out, I was wondering what hoops need to be jumped through to make this doable 
This may help you? https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registra...
From what I can tell it would be best to buy an engine from a reputable dealer and get a proper VAT receipt.(see evidence).
You then pass on the details to change the V5 at DVLA, engine number,engine size cc`,etc.
Then you must inform your insurer that you have altered the vehicle. Come to think about it,may be its best to ask them first before you do anything? especially if your thinking of putting a zonking great lump in a small car as they may refuse to insure it or increase your premium by silly money?.
From what I can tell it would be best to buy an engine from a reputable dealer and get a proper VAT receipt.(see evidence).
You then pass on the details to change the V5 at DVLA, engine number,engine size cc`,etc.
Then you must inform your insurer that you have altered the vehicle. Come to think about it,may be its best to ask them first before you do anything? especially if your thinking of putting a zonking great lump in a small car as they may refuse to insure it or increase your premium by silly money?.
itcaptainslow said:
When I did an engine swap to a bigger capacity unit I merely had to get a letter on headed paper from a garage confirming the car was what I said it was and the engine number X was now residing in chassis number Y.
Send to DVLA, job done.
That's about the sum total of it. Of course that means you need to have a "tame garage" to do something like that for you. Send to DVLA, job done.
I did this a couple of years ago
the DVLA were wanting either proof of purchase with th engine No written down from a reputable co, receipt of fitting from a garage or an AA inspection
I had bought the engine through a forum and I fitted it myself and I wasn't paying the AA to look at it
I asked my local office (before they shut it down) and they said if I had a garage confirm the engine numbers and write them down on headed paper then that would be suitable
Everything went through fine
the DVLA were wanting either proof of purchase with th engine No written down from a reputable co, receipt of fitting from a garage or an AA inspection
I had bought the engine through a forum and I fitted it myself and I wasn't paying the AA to look at it
I asked my local office (before they shut it down) and they said if I had a garage confirm the engine numbers and write them down on headed paper then that would be suitable
Everything went through fine
First of all Kudos for wanting to things legitimately. 
Obviously as suggested already check with your insurers first.
A Cosworth V6 Powered Capri isn't a straight forward engine swap. The engine would need custom mounts as the Cologne V6 ones from a 2.8 Capri won't fit outright, they won't fit the Pinto 1.6 cross member either. You'll be doubling the bhp and tripling the torque so brakes, suspension, gearbox (a 2.8 Capri will bolt straight up to the Cosy and just about manage the power, you may need an XR4i one), prop'shaft and differential (the 1.6 one will vandalize itself within a few miles).
Brakes, if you have a complete Granada most of those parts with swap over up front. Rear you can get MkII Escort disc conversion kits to mount disc brakes and use either a twin caliper set up or Sierra ones. Better still a 2.8 Capri axle will b good enough if you can find one.
Suspension. The rear 1.6 leaf springs will not take the extra torque so as well as chassis tramping you may find the rear of the car twists on the springs under load lifting the passenger side front wheel off the ground. You may need to replace the leaf spring set up completely with a four link set up and watts linkage. This will involve cutting the floor and inner wheel wells to mount new parts (and will need to be done to an SVA/IVA standard or the car will never get on the road). A cheaper and easier option would be a combination of 2.8 Capri leaf springs and anti-tramp bars but it's a very antiquated way of doing it.
Gearbox. A type nine will explode so you'll need an MT different gearbox cross member and new mounting bracket cut and welded into the floor. Again to an IVA/SVA standard. If you use the Capri 2.8 box and XR4i clutch and your Capri is a MkIII then the 2.8 cross member should fit but it depends on the year. If you decide to keep the automatic box from the Granada/Scorpio you need to donor car cross member and either modify it to fit the Capri floor or cut and weld mounts to an SVA/IVA standard.
Wheels, the original Capri wheels will not fit over the Granada/ Scorpio brakes so you'll need bigger ones. Mondeo steels look good and fit the period of the car better than most alloys. Period alloys like Capri seven spokes could do the trick but check for clearance issues at the rear if you go for the disc conversion.
If it's all bolt off, bolt on then it could be a simple case of filling in the V5 with proof of purchase and job done. If you need to cut weld and faff about then your car could need an engineers report or even an IVA as the car would be considered "Radically Altered".
Sounds like a fun project and I wish you all the best with it and be sure to post a link to a build thread.
Obviously as suggested already check with your insurers first.
A Cosworth V6 Powered Capri isn't a straight forward engine swap. The engine would need custom mounts as the Cologne V6 ones from a 2.8 Capri won't fit outright, they won't fit the Pinto 1.6 cross member either. You'll be doubling the bhp and tripling the torque so brakes, suspension, gearbox (a 2.8 Capri will bolt straight up to the Cosy and just about manage the power, you may need an XR4i one), prop'shaft and differential (the 1.6 one will vandalize itself within a few miles).
Brakes, if you have a complete Granada most of those parts with swap over up front. Rear you can get MkII Escort disc conversion kits to mount disc brakes and use either a twin caliper set up or Sierra ones. Better still a 2.8 Capri axle will b good enough if you can find one.
Suspension. The rear 1.6 leaf springs will not take the extra torque so as well as chassis tramping you may find the rear of the car twists on the springs under load lifting the passenger side front wheel off the ground. You may need to replace the leaf spring set up completely with a four link set up and watts linkage. This will involve cutting the floor and inner wheel wells to mount new parts (and will need to be done to an SVA/IVA standard or the car will never get on the road). A cheaper and easier option would be a combination of 2.8 Capri leaf springs and anti-tramp bars but it's a very antiquated way of doing it.
Gearbox. A type nine will explode so you'll need an MT different gearbox cross member and new mounting bracket cut and welded into the floor. Again to an IVA/SVA standard. If you use the Capri 2.8 box and XR4i clutch and your Capri is a MkIII then the 2.8 cross member should fit but it depends on the year. If you decide to keep the automatic box from the Granada/Scorpio you need to donor car cross member and either modify it to fit the Capri floor or cut and weld mounts to an SVA/IVA standard.
Wheels, the original Capri wheels will not fit over the Granada/ Scorpio brakes so you'll need bigger ones. Mondeo steels look good and fit the period of the car better than most alloys. Period alloys like Capri seven spokes could do the trick but check for clearance issues at the rear if you go for the disc conversion.
If it's all bolt off, bolt on then it could be a simple case of filling in the V5 with proof of purchase and job done. If you need to cut weld and faff about then your car could need an engineers report or even an IVA as the car would be considered "Radically Altered".
Sounds like a fun project and I wish you all the best with it and be sure to post a link to a build thread.
Liquid Knight said:
First of all Kudos for wanting to things legitimately.
Obviously as suggested already check with your insurers first.
A Cosworth V6 Powered Capri isn't a straight forward engine swap. The engine would need custom mounts as the Cologne V6 ones from a 2.8 Capri won't fit outright, they won't fit the Pinto 1.6 cross member either. You'll be doubling the bhp and tripling the torque so brakes, suspension, gearbox (a 2.8 Capri will bolt straight up to the Cosy and just about manage the power, you may need an XR4i one), prop'shaft and differential (the 1.6 one will vandalize itself within a few miles).
Brakes, if you have a complete Granada most of those parts with swap over up front. Rear you can get MkII Escort disc conversion kits to mount disc brakes and use either a twin caliper set up or Sierra ones. Better still a 2.8 Capri axle will b good enough if you can find one.
Suspension. The rear 1.6 leaf springs will not take the extra torque so as well as chassis tramping you may find the rear of the car twists on the springs under load lifting the passenger side front wheel off the ground. You may need to replace the leaf spring set up completely with a four link set up and watts linkage. This will involve cutting the floor and inner wheel wells to mount new parts (and will need to be done to an SVA/IVA standard or the car will never get on the road). A cheaper and easier option would be a combination of 2.8 Capri leaf springs and anti-tramp bars but it's a very antiquated way of doing it.
Gearbox. A type nine will explode so you'll need an MT different gearbox cross member and new mounting bracket cut and welded into the floor. Again to an IVA/SVA standard. If you use the Capri 2.8 box and XR4i clutch and your Capri is a MkIII then the 2.8 cross member should fit but it depends on the year. If you decide to keep the automatic box from the Granada/Scorpio you need to donor car cross member and either modify it to fit the Capri floor or cut and weld mounts to an SVA/IVA standard.
Wheels, the original Capri wheels will not fit over the Granada/ Scorpio brakes so you'll need bigger ones. Mondeo steels look good and fit the period of the car better than most alloys. Period alloys like Capri seven spokes could do the trick but check for clearance issues at the rear if you go for the disc conversion.
If it's all bolt off, bolt on then it could be a simple case of filling in the V5 with proof of purchase and job done. If you need to cut weld and faff about then your car could need an engineers report or even an IVA as the car would be considered "Radically Altered".
Sounds like a fun project and I wish you all the best with it and be sure to post a link to a build thread.
We have a number of these in CCI and Capri Power. Most of what you say is well thought out but are you sure the 2.9 24v won't fit on stock 2.8i mounts ? The block on both should be identical and is one reason why the swap is undertaken due to it's simplicity in those key areas.Obviously as suggested already check with your insurers first.
A Cosworth V6 Powered Capri isn't a straight forward engine swap. The engine would need custom mounts as the Cologne V6 ones from a 2.8 Capri won't fit outright, they won't fit the Pinto 1.6 cross member either. You'll be doubling the bhp and tripling the torque so brakes, suspension, gearbox (a 2.8 Capri will bolt straight up to the Cosy and just about manage the power, you may need an XR4i one), prop'shaft and differential (the 1.6 one will vandalize itself within a few miles).
Brakes, if you have a complete Granada most of those parts with swap over up front. Rear you can get MkII Escort disc conversion kits to mount disc brakes and use either a twin caliper set up or Sierra ones. Better still a 2.8 Capri axle will b good enough if you can find one.
Suspension. The rear 1.6 leaf springs will not take the extra torque so as well as chassis tramping you may find the rear of the car twists on the springs under load lifting the passenger side front wheel off the ground. You may need to replace the leaf spring set up completely with a four link set up and watts linkage. This will involve cutting the floor and inner wheel wells to mount new parts (and will need to be done to an SVA/IVA standard or the car will never get on the road). A cheaper and easier option would be a combination of 2.8 Capri leaf springs and anti-tramp bars but it's a very antiquated way of doing it.
Gearbox. A type nine will explode so you'll need an MT different gearbox cross member and new mounting bracket cut and welded into the floor. Again to an IVA/SVA standard. If you use the Capri 2.8 box and XR4i clutch and your Capri is a MkIII then the 2.8 cross member should fit but it depends on the year. If you decide to keep the automatic box from the Granada/Scorpio you need to donor car cross member and either modify it to fit the Capri floor or cut and weld mounts to an SVA/IVA standard.
Wheels, the original Capri wheels will not fit over the Granada/ Scorpio brakes so you'll need bigger ones. Mondeo steels look good and fit the period of the car better than most alloys. Period alloys like Capri seven spokes could do the trick but check for clearance issues at the rear if you go for the disc conversion.
If it's all bolt off, bolt on then it could be a simple case of filling in the V5 with proof of purchase and job done. If you need to cut weld and faff about then your car could need an engineers report or even an IVA as the car would be considered "Radically Altered".
Sounds like a fun project and I wish you all the best with it and be sure to post a link to a build thread.
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