Is this racist?
Discussion
Well of course, if you have to ask and all that....
What I would like to know, preferably from one of our resident eagles, is, is the term beginning with the letters "pi" which is applied to groups of people who drive around in expensive vehicles with expensive caravans hanging off the back who pitch camp at will and without permission on other people's land, an illegal and prosecutable term, if, for example, used on social media, or it is merely considered to be unpleasant and uncouth?
What I would like to know, preferably from one of our resident eagles, is, is the term beginning with the letters "pi" which is applied to groups of people who drive around in expensive vehicles with expensive caravans hanging off the back who pitch camp at will and without permission on other people's land, an illegal and prosecutable term, if, for example, used on social media, or it is merely considered to be unpleasant and uncouth?
I wouldn't of thought so if TG got away with it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33677...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/744627...
without getting into the rights or wrongs, if it is used directly about travellers, gypsies, whatever, then it may well leave you open to criminal investigation or prosecution
without getting into the rights or wrongs, if it is used directly about travellers, gypsies, whatever, then it may well leave you open to criminal investigation or prosecution
marting said:
I wouldn't of thought so if TG got away with it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33677...
TG only got away with it because they used it in the context of describing something as cheap or of poor quality, rather than describing a group of people.Hugo a Gogo said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/744627...
without getting into the rights or wrongs, if it is used directly about travellers, gypsies, whatever, then it may well leave you open to criminal investigation or prosecution
Thanks, answers a question someone posed of me earlier. It's a sad day when you have to doff your verbal cap to a group who contribute the square root of fk all to society in general and take any and everything they can illegally lay their hands on, with virtually no chance of reprisal. Next we'll be having to call murderers "viability terminators" or some such blx. without getting into the rights or wrongs, if it is used directly about travellers, gypsies, whatever, then it may well leave you open to criminal investigation or prosecution
CAPP0 said:
Thanks, answers a question someone posed of me earlier. It's a sad day when you have to doff your verbal cap to a group who contribute the square root of fk all to society in general and take any and everything they can illegally lay their hands on, with virtually no chance of reprisal. Next we'll be having to call murderers "viability terminators" or some such blx.
yeah, that would probably also be actionable if it's about travellers tooSome words have stuck and turned racist and offensive.By the way where did Pi*** come from? Now what happens when you shorten the word travellers or gypsies? call him a trav,no problem,a gyp? may be? but a gypo or a pi** your in trouble. England have thrashed the "Aussies" all over the papers this week.
Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:49
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:53
Not racist, they've made a lifestyle choice, nothing more. Tenuous if directed at Romanies, but I suspect the term is virtually always used against those of Irish descent.
We live in an age where 'groups' of people like nothing more than to claim persecution in some way, as that can then be used to explain away their lack of achievement and ergo their lack of worth.
We live in an age where 'groups' of people like nothing more than to claim persecution in some way, as that can then be used to explain away their lack of achievement and ergo their lack of worth.
Hamish Finn said:
Why would it be "racist" though? Are they a different race? A race apart? Everyone seems to use the term "racist" when they mean "offensive".
in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"Irish travellers are recognised in Britain as an ethnic group
Old Merc said:
Some words have stuck and turned racist and offensive. By the way where did Pi*** come from? Now what happens when you shorten the word travellers or gypsies? call him a trav,no problem,a gyp? may be? but a gypo or a pi** your in trouble. England have thrashed the "Aussies" all over the papers this week.
Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
This is one theory for it's origin, I hope this isn't a reportable offence to explain this!. Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:49
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:53
The Irish have a very long history of mercenary work and post Roman departure from our island, would travel the roads of England. The common weapon of choice for the Irish foot soldier was a pike, a hooked blade on a long pole (particularly useful against cavalry).
So these "pike-men" would travel as mercenaries do selling their skills or hijacking people on the roads and forcing them to pay a fee. Hence it's use to describe Irish travellers.
This is also thought to be the possible origin of the term "turnpike" which is an old term for toll road because people were forced to pay a fee to travel the road by these "pike-men".
The origins of these things can be funny to find out. Much like the V sign as a swear term. That comes from English longbow men while fighting France who used to line up and give the French that 'salute' (those 2 fingers are your bow fingers). Whenever the French captured English longbow men, they wouldn't kill them but cut off their bow fingers (as well as some other things...) then send them back to the English army.
It meant they didn't waste resources on prisoners, the English had to waste food and water feeding these soldiers who were useless without their bow fingers and couldn't fight. So the longbow men would line up and show the French their bow fingers and the symbol as a swear came from there.
Old Merc said:
Some words have stuck and turned racist and offensive. England have thrashed the "Aussies" all over the papers this week.
Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
It's not racist to say Now Aussie is short for Australian,what if they were playing Pakistan?? and the paper had used the dreaded P word?? the editor would have been sacked,fines,court case,what a stink.
Why is the shortened version of Pakistani considered offensive and racist?? and Aussie, Brits,Poms,Yank etc are not??.
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:49
Edited by Old Merc on Tuesday 11th August 15:53
in Australia. That's silly, thats like saying Afghan, Turkmen, or any other country men with 'stan' in their is a racist term.'Stan' basically means 'land' - Afghani-stan - Afghans land etc etc.
A few years ago the Pakistan team played in Australia, lot soy banners held up saying 'Beat the
s' or 'Go s' (held up by Australian-Pakistani people) The team complained but they were told it's just not used as a racist term in Australia. And it isn't.I can't work out how or why people from the sub-continent are called 'asians' here. Or how the 'P' word is used to be racist or describe all people from the sub-contitnent.
They all look quite different, I can generally pick an Indian from a Pakistani from a Sri-Lankan. Sorry if me using that word is seen as being racist, if it is that bloody ridiculous. And if that the case don't call me an Aussie, as a minority in this country I find it deeply offensive and I should seek costs for the damages to my hurt feelings.
No Bend said:
It's not racist to say in Australia. That's silly, thats like saying Afghan, Turkmen, or any other country men with 'stan' in their is a racist term.
'Stan' basically means 'land' - Afghani-stan - Afghans land etc etc.
A few years ago the Pakistan team played in Australia, lot soy banners held up saying 'Beat thes' or 'Go s' (held up by Australian-Pakistani people) The team complained but they were told it's just not used as a racist term in Australia. And it isn't.
I can't work out how or why people from the sub-continent are called 'asians' here. Or how the 'P' word is used to be racist or describe all people from the sub-contitnent.
They all look quite different, I can generally pick an Indian from a Pakistani from a Sri-Lankan. Sorry if me using that word is seen as being racist, if it is that bloody ridiculous. And if that the case don't call me an Aussie, as a minority in this country I find it deeply offensive and I should seek costs for the damages to my hurt feelings.
One word for you...ashes in Australia. That's silly, thats like saying Afghan, Turkmen, or any other country men with 'stan' in their is a racist term.'Stan' basically means 'land' - Afghani-stan - Afghans land etc etc.
A few years ago the Pakistan team played in Australia, lot soy banners held up saying 'Beat the
s' or 'Go s' (held up by Australian-Pakistani people) The team complained but they were told it's just not used as a racist term in Australia. And it isn't.I can't work out how or why people from the sub-continent are called 'asians' here. Or how the 'P' word is used to be racist or describe all people from the sub-contitnent.
They all look quite different, I can generally pick an Indian from a Pakistani from a Sri-Lankan. Sorry if me using that word is seen as being racist, if it is that bloody ridiculous. And if that the case don't call me an Aussie, as a minority in this country I find it deeply offensive and I should seek costs for the damages to my hurt feelings.
73mark said:
One word for you...ashes
And that is why I hadn't said as much before. I don't mind, we can't win every game in every sport. It's boring and expected. About time those pasty private school noncey boys got a bit of mongrel in them and won.
Now they (and you fans) are expecting to carry on winning, you shall have your noses rubbed in it for the next few years. (Ticket sales were down and you needed some pride back, but not too much)
Hugo a Gogo said:
Hamish Finn said:
Why would it be "racist" though? Are they a different race? A race apart? Everyone seems to use the term "racist" when they mean "offensive".
in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"Irish travellers are recognised in Britain as an ethnic group
s. Edited by Hamish Finn on Tuesday 11th August 20:00
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