35006 P&O is back...
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RoverP6B

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Wednesday 12th August 2015
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Bulleid/Jarvis rebuilt 'Merchant Navy' 4-6-2 no.35006 Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which has been under restoration by a small band of volunteers at the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Steam Railway at Toddington, Gloucestershire for many years, moved under its own power this week for the first time since August 1964. It survived, along with nine others of its class (one was preserved straight from BR service), thanks to South Wales scrap-man Dai Woodham, who bought 288 locomotives and only scrapped 75 of them. Over two thirds of Woodham's locomotives have been restored, and 63 of them (including 35006) are currently operational. A few ex-Great Western Railway locomotives from Barry have been dismantled, providing parts (thanks to Swindon standardisation) to resurrect several extinct loco types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC0n8dmmXZ0

As she was in 1980:

Edited by RoverP6B on Wednesday 12th August 21:26

mcdjl

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224 months

Thursday 13th August 2015
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There's something about these things skidding/ wheel spinning that just seems wrong....but impressive (3 minutes in the video)

RoverP6B

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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Any steam locomotive can slip, especially Pacifics, and most particularly ones with such a high power-to-weight ratio as the Bulleids.

Yertis

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Any steam locomotive can slip, especially Pacifics, and most particularly ones with such a high power-to-weight ratio as the Bulleids.
Spoken like a die-hard Bulleid fanatic... biggrin

We all know Bulleids can just slip themselves to standstill like no other.

I love them. cool


silverfoxcc

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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Warning name drop

Bert Hooker once told me that a light engine MN would slip even if it had 'no glow coal' and blew off at 10 psi

Yertis

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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silverfoxcc said:
Warning name drop

Bert Hooker once told me that a light engine MN would slip even if it had 'no glow coal' and blew off at 10 psi
Somewhere on Youtube there's some footage from the '60s of an unrebuilt light pacific sliding, with its wheels stationary, all they way into the platforms at Waterloo. I don't think this was uncommon.

Nice name drop by the way.

SimonD

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Bulleid/Jarvis rebuilt 'Merchant Navy' 4-6-2 no.35006 Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which has been under restoration by a small band of volunteers at the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Steam Railway at Toddington, Gloucestershire for many years, moved under its own power this week for the first time since August 1964. It survived, along with nine others of its class (one was preserved straight from BR service), thanks to South Wales scrap-man Dai Woodham, who bought 288 locomotives and only scrapped 75 of them. Over two thirds of Woodham's locomotives have been restored, and 63 of them (including 35006) are currently operational. A few ex-Great Western Railway locomotives from Barry have been dismantled, providing parts (thanks to Swindon standardisation) to resurrect several extinct loco types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC0n8dmmXZ0

As she was in 1980:

Edited by RoverP6B on Wednesday 12th August 21:26
Now restored, she is lovely. What a cracking piece of work by those involved.

RoverP6B

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Friday 14th August 2015
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Yertis said:
Spoken like a die-hard Bulleid fanatic... biggrin

We all know Bulleids can just slip themselves to standstill like no other.

I love them. cool
Well, at least there's never been a Bulleid slip like the normally sure-footed LNER A2 Blue Peter's 140mph slip at Durham in 1994... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjsNbzg1UaI

LMS 6201 'Princess Elizabeth' slipping violently at speed on the S&C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3_RoWoc7Y

LMS 6229 'Duchess of Hamilton' slipping violently from a start on the S&C: https://youtu.be/Eb8uWexXQyM?t=1m43s

Vocal Minority

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Friday 14th August 2015
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RoverP6B said:
LNER A2 Blue Peter's 140mph slip at Durham in 1994.
It is entirely possible I am misunderstanding this...but are you sure about that?

RoverP6B

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Friday 14th August 2015
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Vocal Minority said:
It is entirely possible I am misunderstanding this...but are you sure about that?
Wheel RPM was equivalent to 140mph at full adhesion.

Even locos without trailing trucks or bogies can slip violently, as this Black Five proves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft2RD9c_T34

And a Southern 'Schools' 4-4-0 ripping up the track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsklef-HM9E

RoverP6B

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Friday 14th August 2015
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Anyway - the point I was making about Bulleids' power-to-weight ratio was that they weren't just designed for main line expresses. By virtue of their light weight for such a powerful locomotive (especially the smaller-boiler smaller-cylinder West Country/Battle of Britain type), they were able to replace quite small mixed-traffic locomotives - they could, for example, be found on the Barnstaple-Ilfracombe branch, where N-class 2-6-0s had previously been the standard motive power.

Yertis

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Friday 14th August 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Anyway - the point I was making about Bulleids' power-to-weight ratio was that they weren't just designed for main line expresses. By virtue of their light weight for such a powerful locomotive (especially the smaller-boiler smaller-cylinder West Country/Battle of Britain type), they were able to replace quite small mixed-traffic locomotives - they could, for example, be found on the Barnstaple-Ilfracombe branch, where N-class 2-6-0s had previously been the standard motive power.
And use a stack more coal to do so... cool

RoverP6B

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Friday 14th August 2015
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Sure, what do you expect? They were 50% more powerful. However, they were more tolerant of poor quality coal and could be run at low power more economically than an N-class working the same schedule - just like the old Top Gear episode with the M3 following the Prius...

Vocal Minority

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Friday 14th August 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Wheel RPM was equivalent to 140mph at full adhesion.

Even locos without trailing trucks or bogies can slip violently, as this Black Five proves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft2RD9c_T34

And a Southern 'Schools' 4-4-0 ripping up the track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsklef-HM9E
Thank you!

silverfoxcc

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Friday 14th August 2015
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Yertis

Can give you a few more

Peter Townend
Dick Hardy
John Cameron ( owner of No9)

Bert, However was a class apart, Wonderful story teller. He visited our club several times to give talks, the last one was the day his 'Bert Hooker Legendary Engineman' book came out, he was up to Warley to do a signing on the Sat. BUT Clan Line was running the LSWR main line so diverted via Fleet and have a video of him watching it going through. All the crew hanging out waving to him.
He lent me his copy of his first book 'Nine Elms Engineman' and i wanted a copy myself but they were like hens teeth. At the OOC open day back in the late 90's (my lad was helping out on a stand) and i got in before the hordes. Wandering around saw 'Nine Elms Engineman' and quickly handed over a fiver for it. got home and found it had been signed by him. Took a week to wipe the smile off my face. both books are worth reading.

RoverP6B

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Saturday 15th August 2015
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John Cameron used to bring No9 to Leuchars for the airshow, run it down the little branch then used for bringing in fuel. Had many a ride on her there.