Bash a burgular
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stesrg

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1,573 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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Well looks like the laws changed for the better then !
a few years ago or so i gave a theif a good hiding for stealing from my household however this worried me to death in that the police might have come and arrested me, I guess I was luckie then however the stress which it caused me was never the less.
Now going to get a good baseball bat or 2.
I bet sales are going up in that department

sparkythecat

8,064 posts

278 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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stesrg said:
Well looks like the laws changed for the better then !
a few years ago or so i gave a theif a good hiding for stealing from my household however this worried me to death in that the police might have come and arrested me, I guess I was luckie then however the stress which it caused me was never the less.
Now going to get a good baseball bat or 2.
I bet sales are going up in that department


You must have given that thief a serious battering as you appear to have rearranged his parts!

Whatever you do, don't mention that burgular again, or the spelling police will come and arrest you.



stesrg

Original Poster:

1,573 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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sparkythecat said:

stesrg said:
Well looks like the laws changed for the better then !
a few years ago or so i gave a theif a good hiding for stealing from my household however this worried me to death in that the police might have come and arrested me, I guess I was luckie then however the stress which it caused me was never the less.
Now going to get a good baseball bat or 2.
I bet sales are going up in that department



You must have given that thief a serious battering as you appear to have rearranged his parts!

Whatever you do, don't mention that burgular again, or the spelling police will come and arrest you.






Sorry as i am a bit dyxlesic and failed at inglish at school, now ones purfict eh

off_again

13,917 posts

257 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2005
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But they didnt change the law....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4224473.stm

Just cufuddled, sorry clarified it.....

gemini

11,352 posts

287 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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Got an email this morning from home office - old law stands
self defence - excessive assault not allowed

BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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gemini said:
Got an email this morning from home office - old law stands
self defence - excessive assault not allowed


Ahh, but here's the fun bit, define excessive!


Where's that can o' worms smiley!

thub

1,359 posts

307 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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Hit them once, but make it count?

So where is one blow best aimed? Knees, nuts, collar bone, throat or head?

einion yrth

19,575 posts

267 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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thub said:
So where is one blow best aimed? Knees, nuts, collar bone, throat or head?

Yup that should do it.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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You are allowed to incapacitate them. If that takes multiple blows, then it's ok. What's not allowed is beating them once they are subdued as a punishment.

If you grab something heavy and hit them, then that's ok. What's not ok is taking them down with your fists and then going to get something heavy to finish them off.

Even a knife is ok, as long as you don't go getting it after you have removed the element of danger.

I think as long as you are sensible (and that does include a damn good kicking) then you are going to be ok.

Mastiff

2,515 posts

264 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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Slightly O/T.

I was once attacked by a guy who tried to steal a car on a test drive. He became extremely violent.

The opportunity arose for me to hit back...so I did.

I did lose my temper. I was absolutely terrified and genuinely in fear of being hurt (weapons were involved).

When the police arrived I was crying, shaking and being sick at the same time (which I didn't think was possible!), and a cold dread runs through me when I think about it to this day.

I was charged with assault and taken to court, and the who attacked me tried to sue me as well.

Nobody(even the officer in charge) could understand why I was being treated this way, but the CPS would not let it go.

It took nearly 18 months before I stood in front of a Judge who basically said "What on earth is this man doing here?" and threw it out. I could finally put it behind me and I thank him to this day.

The scumbag got 3 years.

Rules or no rules, if ANYONE breaks into my house I will defend myself and my family to my upmost ability, despite what happened in the past.

M.

tja

1,175 posts

277 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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bbc said:
...a man who laid in wait for a burglar on commercial premises in Cheshire, before beating him up, throwing him into a pit and setting him on fire.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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Cartoon by mac in the Daily Mail..........



"Be gentle,Bernard. Section A Clause B...Do not continue the assault after you have rendered the burglar unconscious...

MilnerR

8,273 posts

281 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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tja said:

bbc said:
...a man who laid in wait for a burglar on commercial premises in Cheshire, before beating him up, throwing him into a pit and setting him on fire.




Apart from the burning bit it sounds like a police sting operation

gemini

11,352 posts

287 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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Mastiff said:

Rules or no rules, if ANYONE breaks into my house I will defend myself and my family to my upmost ability, despite what happened in the past.

M.




Thats the idea - defend yourself - keep that thought

nonegreen

7,803 posts

293 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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The political trash are disgusting. They have not changed the law, they have not clarified it. Yesterday their filthy perverted freinds at the BBC did a series of interviews with some specially selected thick people and care in the community cases. This made it clear what the law is It was obvious that the thick people as expected think Mr Blair is a nice man and they can now stab a burglar even when he is on his way out of the house and as a consequence they are going to vote for him cos he is ever so nice

Truth is you can do pretty much what you please so long as you couch it in terms of defeding yourself while being attacked. If you are more intelligent that the prosecuting solicitor and plod and confident about your abilities to argue in court then you are home free really.

gemini

11,352 posts

287 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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nonegreen said:
If you are more intelligent than plod then you are home free really.


Nonners on his high and mighty horse again!
Its not thefault of lod - relax on this issue

The law is not clear agreed and the CPS may continue a case but if you answer the questions (which have to be put to you as the assualt must be investigated - not necessarliy prosecuted)then you will be within your rights and willnot be prosecuted as long as you acted in "SELF DEFENCE"

nonegreen

7,803 posts

293 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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gemini said:

Gemini obviously and blatantly misquoted me said:
If you are more intelligent than plod then you are home free really.



Nonners on his high and mighty horse again!
Its not thefault of lod - relax on this issue

The law is not clear agreed and the CPS may continue a case but if you answer the questions (which have to be put to you as the assualt must be investigated - not necessarliy prosecuted)then you will be within your rights and willnot be prosecuted as long as you acted in "SELF DEFENCE"



Then agreed with what I said

MilnerR

8,273 posts

281 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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The scrupulously honest will always get screwed by the law.
If, however you use the system to your advantage (legally) then you can apply the law in a common sense way. The police do it, solicitors do it, hell, even the CPS are thinking of doing it
Make sure your version of events is a compromise between what actually happened what should have happened and (most importantly) what can be proven!

anonymous-user

77 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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As I see it the law is pretty straight forward.

If somebody comes into your home you can use pretty much whatever force you deem necessary at the time to defend yourself up to and including bashing his brains out and killing him. However if you incapacitate him and then carry on bashing his brains out or chase after him and deliver a beating for the sake of it then you are not acting reasonably.

So remember, always defend yourself.

ian d

986 posts

278 months

Thursday 3rd February 2005
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burgulars & thieves......hang a few from the "castle walls" (in self defence) i say. kind of discourages the others.

"to be hung, drawn and quartered and be displayed in the four corners of the kingdom"......Longshanks had the right idea