What is my 930 worth?
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Yes yes it is a boring subject, but I am going to sell my 930 and really have not much of a clue what it is worth. Wasn't going to sell it but after driving my 996 GT2 this summer, well.. the 930 can go 
Gives me more space as well to maybe put another motorbike in the garage!
I advertised it in the low range of cars available on pistonheads, but it is clearly too dear as not a whole lot of replies has come in, where do you reckon my car should trade? Now I've made my mind up, I want rid of it before I change my mind again!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Gives me more space as well to maybe put another motorbike in the garage!I advertised it in the low range of cars available on pistonheads, but it is clearly too dear as not a whole lot of replies has come in, where do you reckon my car should trade? Now I've made my mind up, I want rid of it before I change my mind again!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by fredt on Monday 24th August 11:53
The price doesn't seem OTT
It might be other things putting people off
Maybe if you can invest some money to get the minor "issues" sorted out that would help?
Also a set of new pictures to advertise it...it seems to blend into the brick and not stand out
I would clean it out too as there seems to be a bit of "rubbish" in the foot wells, ditch the baby seat and give the seats a clean up they do look a bit grubby in the pics
It is a good looking car and obviously been looked after (just doesn't look it at the moment) and I would have thought be quick to sell at the asking price
Thanks
But will that really make much of a difference? I would've thought when you look at the cheapest 930 in the market you would call and ask questions, and expect it not to be perfect?
I have so many things on at the moment, working on house, 2 kids and the 3rd one imminent that I can't be arsed to sort it out for sale. I just want rid of it as is..
It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
But will that really make much of a difference? I would've thought when you look at the cheapest 930 in the market you would call and ask questions, and expect it not to be perfect?
I have so many things on at the moment, working on house, 2 kids and the 3rd one imminent that I can't be arsed to sort it out for sale. I just want rid of it as is..
It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
Hard to say.
Although we are in a very bullish market, buyers seem to be very specific about what they want, and what sells quickly and easily.
Yours is a very 'exclusive' example that may have more limited appeal, so may take longer to find the right buyer at the right price.
You could consider a reputable specialist who may do SOR.
Although we are in a very bullish market, buyers seem to be very specific about what they want, and what sells quickly and easily.
Yours is a very 'exclusive' example that may have more limited appeal, so may take longer to find the right buyer at the right price.
You could consider a reputable specialist who may do SOR.
fredt said:
Thanks
But will that really make much of a difference? I would've thought when you look at the cheapest 930 in the market you would call and ask questions, and expect it not to be perfect?
I have so many things on at the moment, working on house, 2 kids and the 3rd one imminent that I can't be arsed to sort it out for sale. I just want rid of it as is..
It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
Yes you want £45k for a 1980 911 turbo in Gold with non-factory flatnose conversion, it's very niche. But will that really make much of a difference? I would've thought when you look at the cheapest 930 in the market you would call and ask questions, and expect it not to be perfect?
I have so many things on at the moment, working on house, 2 kids and the 3rd one imminent that I can't be arsed to sort it out for sale. I just want rid of it as is..
It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
I'd drop it into your local Indie to get the niggles sorted, clean it and take some nice pictures. Then at least it'll be ready to sell. You need it to look loved. I'd also list the service history and any big jobs which have been done recently.
The rust would be the main worry as these cars hide them well and you could have more hidden inside the inner wings.
Could be a £30k car if rust work is required!
Most potential buyers will make a judgement based on the quality of the pictures.
IMO you can tell a lot about the condition of a car by the state of the driver and passenger footwells!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/lightbox?ad...
IMO you can tell a lot about the condition of a car by the state of the driver and passenger footwells!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/lightbox?ad...
Koln-RS said:
Yours is a very 'exclusive' example
g7jhp said:
Yes you want £45k for a 1980 911 turbo in Gold with non-factory flatnose conversion, it's very niche.
I'd drop it into your local Indie to get the niggles sorted, clean it and take some nice pictures. Then at least it'll be ready to sell. You need it to look loved. I'd also list the service history and any big jobs which have been done recently.
The rust would be the main worry as these cars hide them well and you could have more hidden inside the inner wings.
Could be a £30k car if rust work is required!
Koln-RS is on the money, EXCLUSIVE! I'd drop it into your local Indie to get the niggles sorted, clean it and take some nice pictures. Then at least it'll be ready to sell. You need it to look loved. I'd also list the service history and any big jobs which have been done recently.
The rust would be the main worry as these cars hide them well and you could have more hidden inside the inner wings.
Could be a £30k car if rust work is required!
I've listed the main jobs done, which are fairly significant (and will probably want doing on any 930 of this age).
Rust, who knows? I guess on any old IB it's a gamble, but when I bought it I rectified what was found, and it's been garaged since
OK. I will take some better pics, and think about having the issues rectified.
Thanks
anonymous said:
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Aren't you coming over soon? maybe then you can have a shot 
I am really trying to find a way to keep the car but am really struggling for justification that the Mrs accepts. The idea of so much money being tied up in a toy, as she sees it, is a total no go. A Brooke 260R or early Elise would be better suited as they weigh nothing and are not going to make me eat beans for the rest of my life should a have a serious off. I am also looking at making my 996 a little more track orientated (LWFW, rose joints, suspension...) but really think the 996 is also a little too nice to start abusing so the lightweight Lotus7/VX220/Elise/Brooke may be the sensible answer...
Hmmm. I'm no expert and I hate the constant droning on about "values" on this section of PH. I'm a 100% Porsche fan, and as portrayed, I'm afraid this car does nothing for me. With respect, it's about as far away from unmolested original, or backdated, powder coloured Singer-esque cool as you could get, and will only be worth what someone wants to pay for a very niche car. There is no "Want".
However, I think you could install some "want" in sorting everything, detailing it to within an inch of it's life, and getting some really good, professional quality photos done to show the car looking great, and then take lots of pics yourself of every inch of the car in closeup. Case in point...the brown 928 that Wheeler Dealers did...with some good camera work at the end of the restoration it looked good and The Want became strong, even though it was not, in many ways, that desirable an example.
Get pics of the seats, the paperwork, the engine, the wheels, everything. Create the impression to some speculator that if 80s flatnoses are the next big thing, this is the one to have. Have the main vehicle shots done in either a studio, or in a "dateless" location...some industrial setting or some pretty landscape or similar. Your couple of years old Audi in the background just makes the 930 look very dated (hmmm, do I really want to spend that much on a gold flatnose when I could be driving a trouble free Uber-luxo barge instead). The garage shot doesn't help (hmmm, do I really want to spend that much on a gold flatnose which might live, dripping oil, in the garage surrounded by kids' toys and plastic boxes). It needs to be outside the Ace Cafe at dusk, or at the top of Llangynidr mountain on a misty morning in the layby where the prospective purchaser can almost hear the thing ticking itself cool.
Want...
However, I think you could install some "want" in sorting everything, detailing it to within an inch of it's life, and getting some really good, professional quality photos done to show the car looking great, and then take lots of pics yourself of every inch of the car in closeup. Case in point...the brown 928 that Wheeler Dealers did...with some good camera work at the end of the restoration it looked good and The Want became strong, even though it was not, in many ways, that desirable an example.
Get pics of the seats, the paperwork, the engine, the wheels, everything. Create the impression to some speculator that if 80s flatnoses are the next big thing, this is the one to have. Have the main vehicle shots done in either a studio, or in a "dateless" location...some industrial setting or some pretty landscape or similar. Your couple of years old Audi in the background just makes the 930 look very dated (hmmm, do I really want to spend that much on a gold flatnose when I could be driving a trouble free Uber-luxo barge instead). The garage shot doesn't help (hmmm, do I really want to spend that much on a gold flatnose which might live, dripping oil, in the garage surrounded by kids' toys and plastic boxes). It needs to be outside the Ace Cafe at dusk, or at the top of Llangynidr mountain on a misty morning in the layby where the prospective purchaser can almost hear the thing ticking itself cool.
Want...
POORCARDEALER said:
Excellent car for a bodyshop to buy and possibly convert back to non flatnose.
Not a bad idea. No idea of the cost, but 'originality is king' and, properly restored, it should be worth a lot more than 'as is' - I actually like the colour and pasha trim, but it's got to be detail perfect to sell.I don't think the new pics are any better than the originals - they look lazy. You need to show real effort. Prices may have risen, but it's still a 'buyer's market'.
anonymous said:
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Possibly, but I just hate turning up to something that it is not as described, or close to. But I get you point and have with 'some'input from Moikey Fortune reformatted the ad.Clearly I should've sorted the car 100% and taken some good pictures...
Hard-Drive said:
Hmmm. I'm no expert and I hate the constant droning on about "values" on this section of PH. I'm a 100% Porsche fan, and as portrayed, I'm afraid this car does nothing for me. With respect, it's about as far away from unmolested original, or backdated, powder coloured Singer-esque cool as you could get, and will only be worth what someone wants to pay for a very niche car. There is no "Want".
Well, it's not really a thread about values more about me establishing if my idea of a selling point for my car is right. 930's isn't quite like 996's or 997's where it is much easier to see where they should trade.Also your reference to Singer brings the subject on taste. The singer gives me zero, I have absolutely no idea why people would spend that sort of dollars on that creation. Of course I can appreciate the workmanship, but the result is of no interest to me.
"As far away as possible from unmolested original"
Well.. Of course I see your point, flatnosed Porsches are pretty much universally disliked and the assumption is it was to hide something. The thing is the fella I bought it from had this car for 31 years, and had this work done some 25 years ago. It was carried out but the top specialist at the time, I think they are still the most success Porsche racing team in the UK. The bill for the work was some 9000 pounds.
Apart from this the car is like it left the factory, but of course it has some wear and some interesting stories.
So I don't think molested is quite fair!
RVVUNM said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Excellent car for a bodyshop to buy and possibly convert back to non flatnose.
And change the colour
I know you will not believe me, but the car looks very cool in the flesh, it has surprised many hardcore IB beards. Both the colour combo and the flatnoseness
Koln-RS said:
Not a bad idea. No idea of the cost, but 'originality is king' and, properly restored, it should be worth a lot more than 'as is' - I actually like the colour and pasha trim, but it's got to be detail perfect to sell.
I don't think the new pics are any better than the originals - they look lazy. You need to show real effort. Prices may have risen, but it's still a 'buyer's market'.
Yeah pics are sI don't think the new pics are any better than the originals - they look lazy. You need to show real effort. Prices may have risen, but it's still a 'buyer's market'.
t, agreed. I naively thought people would look past them when looking at a 35 yr old classic as in reality they mean little.Should probably keep this and sell the GT2, as I am probably the only one who likes this and the GT2 would be piss easy to sell in comparison!
Looks a nice car to me but I like aircooled stuff and have a 930 myself. I think if the next owner buys all the go fast bits off you as well and lowers the car a bit and spaces out the wheels it could be really cool retro hot rod.
IIRC - didn't you buy this from rpmtechnik? If correct - cant you ask if they will send you the studio shots of the car for your ad? Their pics always look good. Quick win for you and the ad. Also - good for provenance and would help put peoples minds at ease as most will look at a 930 and think that it could easily be a money pit (rpm would have looked it over and you say its recently been serviced with a thumbs up from the people who looked at it)
Not being funny but you asked the same questions in January this year on impactbumpers (I am on there and hard to forget posts about a gold flatnose) about sales approach and feedback was "I'd re-take the interior shots, the carpets could do with a hoover and empty the bits out of the front boot, lets the other pictures down a bit. Looks great in the exterior photos" and "I agree, those photos don't do justice to an otherwise excellent looking car" and "Such a great looking car deserves better photos for sure" ...............which bit about the photos being poor didn't you understand?)))
IIRC - didn't you buy this from rpmtechnik? If correct - cant you ask if they will send you the studio shots of the car for your ad? Their pics always look good. Quick win for you and the ad. Also - good for provenance and would help put peoples minds at ease as most will look at a 930 and think that it could easily be a money pit (rpm would have looked it over and you say its recently been serviced with a thumbs up from the people who looked at it)
Not being funny but you asked the same questions in January this year on impactbumpers (I am on there and hard to forget posts about a gold flatnose) about sales approach and feedback was "I'd re-take the interior shots, the carpets could do with a hoover and empty the bits out of the front boot, lets the other pictures down a bit. Looks great in the exterior photos" and "I agree, those photos don't do justice to an otherwise excellent looking car" and "Such a great looking car deserves better photos for sure" ...............which bit about the photos being poor didn't you understand?
))) fredt said:
I can't be arsed to sort it out for sale. I just want rid of it as is..
It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
No offence but i wouldn't buy a car from you - I want to buy a car from me, someone who is anal about getting things fixed and perfect (within reason), someone who "can't be arsed" may have skipped on maintenance and other things, much better to get all the little things fixed and ask a few k more IMHO.It's a good car, just need some details sorted.
Cheers
Also it's gold and a flatnose so some patience might be required in finding the right buyer
bigunit00 said:
Looks a nice car to me but I like aircooled stuff and have a 930 myself. I think if the next owner buys all the go fast bits off you as well and lowers the car a bit and spaces out the wheels it could be really cool retro hot rod.
IIRC - didn't you buy this from rpmtechnik? If correct - cant you ask if they will send you the studio shots of the car for your ad? Their pics always look good. Quick win for you and the ad. Also - good for provenance and would help put peoples minds at ease as most will look at a 930 and think that it could easily be a money pit (rpm would have looked it over and you say its recently been serviced with a thumbs up from the people who looked at it)
Not being funny but you asked the same questions in January this year on impactbumpers (I am on there and hard to forget posts about a gold flatnose) about sales approach and feedback was "I'd re-take the interior shots, the carpets could do with a hoover and empty the bits out of the front boot, lets the other pictures down a bit. Looks great in the exterior photos" and "I agree, those photos don't do justice to an otherwise excellent looking car" and "Such a great looking car deserves better photos for sure" ...............which bit about the photos being poor didn't you understand?)))
Absolutely fair. I guess I'm just a bit thick.. IIRC - didn't you buy this from rpmtechnik? If correct - cant you ask if they will send you the studio shots of the car for your ad? Their pics always look good. Quick win for you and the ad. Also - good for provenance and would help put peoples minds at ease as most will look at a 930 and think that it could easily be a money pit (rpm would have looked it over and you say its recently been serviced with a thumbs up from the people who looked at it)
Not being funny but you asked the same questions in January this year on impactbumpers (I am on there and hard to forget posts about a gold flatnose) about sales approach and feedback was "I'd re-take the interior shots, the carpets could do with a hoover and empty the bits out of the front boot, lets the other pictures down a bit. Looks great in the exterior photos" and "I agree, those photos don't do justice to an otherwise excellent looking car" and "Such a great looking car deserves better photos for sure" ...............which bit about the photos being poor didn't you understand?
))) But seriously, I can't belive the quality of pics would make a difference. People looking for a 930 should know what it is and a few questions would tell you everything you need to know. When I bought the GT2 I hadn't seen a single good picture of the car, or even seen it in the flesh.
Yes, with the go faster bits and the BBS RS wheels it would be the ultimate 80's cool. Or completely 100% naff from most peoples point of view...
Adam B said:
No offence but i wouldn't buy a car from you - I want to buy a car from me, someone who is anal about getting things fixed and perfect (within reason), someone who "can't be arsed" may have skipped on maintenance and other things, much better to get all the little things fixed and ask a few k more IMHO.
Also it's gold and a flatnose so some patience might be required in finding the right buyer
None taken. Cant't be arsed should really be have absolutely zero time to even take it to a specialist at the minute. Flat out with work, buying new car (anyone have a 7 seat X5 for sale?) and trying to get house ready for baby #3Also it's gold and a flatnose so some patience might be required in finding the right buyer
Getting rid of this would take one thing of my mind.
Edited by fredt on Tuesday 25th August 11:52
Edited by fredt on Tuesday 25th August 11:59
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