Alcohol nearly as bad as smoking????
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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4232703.stm[/url]
At least when I am boozing I am not forcing my habit into other people's bodies.
I find this article difficult to believe. Smoking, according to the WHO, kills 5 million people worldwide each year. Also a big statistical survey last year proved that you die earlier if you don't drink!! I suppose it is all down to how much.
At least when I am boozing I am not forcing my habit into other people's bodies.
I find this article difficult to believe. Smoking, according to the WHO, kills 5 million people worldwide each year. Also a big statistical survey last year proved that you die earlier if you don't drink!! I suppose it is all down to how much.
I like this line:
"increasing the price of alcohol by 10% would produce a 7% drop in deaths from cirrhosis of the liver in men and an 8.3% drop in deaths in women."
Of course if you made it £250 a pint it would eradicate cirrhosis completely once everyone who already has it kicks the bucket.
What a tosser.
"increasing the price of alcohol by 10% would produce a 7% drop in deaths from cirrhosis of the liver in men and an 8.3% drop in deaths in women."
Of course if you made it £250 a pint it would eradicate cirrhosis completely once everyone who already has it kicks the bucket.
What a tosser.
NO MORE FUN OF ANY KIND!Don said:
Increasing the price of food would stop people getting fat, too, apparently!
Yes and cars should cost a minimum of £10,000,000.00 each which should stamp out road deaths by a significant number.
If I want to drink myself to death, what the hell has it got to do with Professor Scurdy-Gurdy anyway?
IvIark said:
Increasing the price of food would stop people getting fat, too, apparently!
Yes and cars should cost a minimum of £10,000,000.00 each which should stamp out road deaths by a significant number.
If I want to drink myself to death, what the hell has it got to do with Professor Scurdy-Gurdy anyway?
If only we could put a tax on talking crap
IvIark said:
I like this line:
"increasing the price of alcohol by 10% would produce a 7% drop in deaths from cirrhosis of the liver in men and an 8.3% drop in deaths in women."
Of course if you made it £250 a pint it would eradicate cirrhosis completely once everyone who already has it kicks the bucket.
What a tosser.
It reminds me of the line "If you reduce speed by 1 mph you reduce deaths by xx%"
wolves_wanderer said:
I like this line:
"increasing the price of alcohol by 10% would produce a 7% drop in deaths from cirrhosis of the liver in men and an 8.3% drop in deaths in women."
Of course if you made it £250 a pint it would eradicate cirrhosis completely once everyone who already has it kicks the bucket.
What a tosser.
It reminds me of the line "If you reduce speed by 1 mph you reduce deaths by xx%"
98% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Well whoopee shit !. As someone who has struggled with the mortality concept over the last 6 months or so, I've come to the conclusion that I just don't care anymore. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DIE and the best thing is that nobody gets to choose how or when, it's a completely random event. I've spent an awful lot of time in the local hospital recently and noticed that they have a huge range of people in there, from the healthy jogging heart attack victims to the 2yr old lukemia sufferer. There is even one poor lady who turned round one evening a bit too quickly whilst ironing.....and promptly had a stroke. Now paralysed on left side and wheelchair bound.
The point is, life is short and health is precious and both can be snatched away at a moments notice (Tsunami anyone?). If you want to smoke, then smoke. Drink?, go ahead. Eat Fatty foods?, fine. Motorcycle?, the bigger the better. Cars ditto.
Surveys about health and lifestyles are about avoiding the truth, being able to blame "something", anything for our own frailty when the fact is that it is life itself which is lethal and now matter how much we worry about global warming, passive smoking, healthy eating, it doesn't alter the eventual end for anyone. This science of worry is the new religon for people that have outgrown traditional faiths but cannot accept the lack of control that we actually have over our lives.
Sorry folks, that's all been coming for a while I guess.......Ain't stress great?
Time to fire up the bike and enjoy methinks
The point is, life is short and health is precious and both can be snatched away at a moments notice (Tsunami anyone?). If you want to smoke, then smoke. Drink?, go ahead. Eat Fatty foods?, fine. Motorcycle?, the bigger the better. Cars ditto.
Surveys about health and lifestyles are about avoiding the truth, being able to blame "something", anything for our own frailty when the fact is that it is life itself which is lethal and now matter how much we worry about global warming, passive smoking, healthy eating, it doesn't alter the eventual end for anyone. This science of worry is the new religon for people that have outgrown traditional faiths but cannot accept the lack of control that we actually have over our lives.
Sorry folks, that's all been coming for a while I guess.......Ain't stress great?
Time to fire up the bike and enjoy methinks
Plotloss said:
The Government spends more policing and putting back together the after effects of binge drinking than they do on further education.
It may not be a direct or passive risk to society but to suggest that alcohol is benign is delusional.
So increasing the fines for drunken behaviour by 1000% would be a good start wouldn't it?
Not everyone who drinks causes trouble and nor are they all a burden on the health service. All drinkers do however contribute around £10 billion a year in tax which I'm sure both the government and the NHS won't want to lose.
gonzomo said:
Well whoopee shit !. As someone who has struggled with the mortality concept over the last 6 months or so, I've come to the conclusion that I just don't care anymore. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DIE and the best thing is that nobody gets to choose how or when, it's a completely random event. I've spent an awful lot of time in the local hospital recently and noticed that they have a huge range of people in there, from the healthy jogging heart attack victims to the 2yr old lukemia sufferer. There is even one poor lady who turned round one evening a bit too quickly whilst ironing.....and promptly had a stroke. Now paralysed on left side and wheelchair bound.
The point is, life is short and health is precious and both can be snatched away at a moments notice (Tsunami anyone?). If you want to smoke, then smoke. Drink?, go ahead. Eat Fatty foods?, fine. Motorcycle?, the bigger the better. Cars ditto.
Surveys about health and lifestyles are about avoiding the truth, being able to blame "something", anything for our own frailty when the fact is that it is life itself which is lethal and now matter how much we worry about global warming, passive smoking, healthy eating, it doesn't alter the eventual end for anyone. This science of worry is the new religon for people that have outgrown traditional faiths but cannot accept the lack of control that we actually have over our lives.
Sorry folks, that's all been coming for a while I guess.......Ain't stress great?
Time to fire up the bike and enjoy methinks
Absolutely spot on.gonzomo said:
Loads of stuff I agree with
I smoke, I drink, I drive a very un eco-friendly car. I do these things because I want to and I can afford to. I am fully aware of the risks, but it my decision.
I do not force my habits/fun on anyone else (I'll stop/smoke outside if it offends anyone in my local)
Why won't they leave us alone? This is not a practice run, there's no second chance. We are all going to die, if we chose to hasten that along by drinking/smoking/dining at McDonalds then it's our problem. I know I pay more in taxation than I cost.
gonzomo said:
Loads of stuff I agree with
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Good man..
[quote=bruciebabie]At least when I am boozing I am not forcing my habit into other people's bodies. [/quote]
I was goign to say at least when I've had a drink I don't take a pee all over anyone sat next to me..
I don't smoke, but if I choose to go out with people who do smoke, then I accept they will smoke. I prefer to sit in a non smoking section if I am eating. Thats it, end of discussion. Oh, sorry, talking about alcohol..
[quote=MilnerR]been on the wagon for just over a week now and i have to admit i feel a lot better. [/quote]
Excelelnt, good for you..
Erm.. Sure you are on the wagon and have not just run out?
Hang on. Where did all this fatalism come from? It is perfectly bloody obvious that you substantially increase the likelihood of debilitating illness if you booze to excess, and it is equally clear that loads of Britons are stupid enough to do just that (and a large amount of NHS money gets spent on their treatment, and the Police spend a lot of their resources on dealing with drunks).
When doctors stray into the area of criticising specific policy, like longer opening hours or a perceived failure to raise taxes, they stray way outside their area of expertise ... and rightly look like a bunch of self-important tools.
But they are quite right to ask the question why so many of the British drink irresponsibly. It must be a cultural thing. We share this problem with several other developed countries, but there are also plenty of countries where this doesn't happen. Being a cultural thing, it is something we can change over time, but not with minor tax reform. Ironically, given what the doctors seem to be asking for, plenty of the countries with lower boozing also tax it less heavily and less retriction on its sale.
When doctors stray into the area of criticising specific policy, like longer opening hours or a perceived failure to raise taxes, they stray way outside their area of expertise ... and rightly look like a bunch of self-important tools.
But they are quite right to ask the question why so many of the British drink irresponsibly. It must be a cultural thing. We share this problem with several other developed countries, but there are also plenty of countries where this doesn't happen. Being a cultural thing, it is something we can change over time, but not with minor tax reform. Ironically, given what the doctors seem to be asking for, plenty of the countries with lower boozing also tax it less heavily and less retriction on its sale.
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