Anyone in 'plastics'?
Anyone in 'plastics'?
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LimaDelta

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249 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Is there a PVC-type material which is suitable as a stainless steel replacement, in terms of strength in tension/compression, stiffness, hardness, shear strength, machinability, thermal stability, chemical resistance etc?


hidetheelephants

36,315 posts

224 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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What's the component doing? If you need similar mechanical strength/stiffness only composites get anywhere near. Need more information as you've just asked a 'how long is a piece of string?' question.

LimaDelta

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249 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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hidetheelephants said:
What's the component doing?
Various components doing various things but in general being crushed, twisted and bent. wink

JuniorD

9,013 posts

254 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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CELAZOLE or PEEK are high performance, but probably nowhere near steel in most properties. What is the intended use?

Simpo Two

93,032 posts

296 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Graphene?

Ean218

2,046 posts

281 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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LimaDelta said:
Is there a PVC-type material which is suitable as a stainless steel replacement, in terms of strength in tension/compression, stiffness, hardness, shear strength, machinability, thermal stability, chemical resistance etc?
If you want all those properties in a cheap thermoplastic the answer is definitely no.

However if we knew more about the part shape and end use there may well be something suitable.

LimaDelta

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Tuesday 1st September 2015
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Ean218 said:
If you want all those properties in a cheap thermoplastic the answer is definitely no.

However if we knew more about the part shape and end use there may well be something suitable.
Nobody said cheap...

stumpage

2,213 posts

257 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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Polyimide - take a look at Meldin 7000 range.

hidetheelephants

36,315 posts

224 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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LimaDelta said:
Nobody said cheap...
Other than a couple of wild stabs in the dark no-one's suggested owt; without more of a clue what it is and what you want it to do you won't get any more useable help. Broadly speaking you won't be able to replace a stainless steel component with a plastic one of the same dimensions because the physical properties are very different.


BGARK

5,638 posts

277 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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LimaDelta said:
Is there a PVC-type material which is suitable as a stainless steel replacement, in terms of strength in tension/compression, stiffness, hardness, shear strength, machinability, thermal stability, chemical resistance etc?
Machinability and chemical resistance, yes.

The other factors no.


Bodo

12,619 posts

297 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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Plastics today are not a 1:1 replacemnt for metals; however, with the requirements known, plastic might be an alternative.

The latest BMW 550i has a moulded gearbox crossmember by Contitech instead of alloy:


dudleybloke

20,553 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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What grade of stainless are you trying to replace?

LimaDelta

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249 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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dudleybloke said:
What grade of stainless are you trying to replace?
410, or as near as is manageable.

I realise a direct replacement is not possible, And I do not want to copy all of the attributes of the steel - for instance the lower electrical and thermal conductivity of the plastics are an advantage in this application. As are the increased resistance to corrosion or chemical attacks.

A reduction in strength is a necessary trade-off in this case.

I think something like Duratron PBI is looking like the best bet but I have a meeting arranged this month with some experts in engineering plastics who can hopefully advise on something suitable.

anothernameitist

1,500 posts

166 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Ean218

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281 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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LimaDelta said:
Nobody said cheap...
You said like PVC, which in the world of plastic is cheap, and nasty.