whats' the law on T-shirts?
whats' the law on T-shirts?
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bryan35

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1,906 posts

270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Strange question!!!!

BUT, lets say you had a t-shirt that has, as part of it's design, a collection of number and letters printed on the back which was the same a valid registration mark, and you were then to go shopping one summer afternoon in the centre of london, would the owner of such registration mark get a CC letter through the post?

markh508

80 posts

264 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Ooh, and on a similar subject... how about if you paint your car white at the front and yellow at the back, and then paint on lots of random letters and numbers - the same size and font as on a reg plate, effectively hiding your real plate inside a mass of information.

I doubt this would work to fool cameras but is there a law against it?

guru_1071

2,768 posts

263 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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new angle on stealth cars.

cover your car in known reg numbers that match cars the same make and colour of your own

youd look daft but would you get away????

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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guru_1071 said:
new angle on stealth cars.

cover your car in known reg numbers that match cars the same make and colour of your own

youd look daft but would you get away????


more liable to be arrested and have your car recovered for examination..

bryan35

Original Poster:

1,906 posts

270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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if you couldn't distinguish the real numberplate then probably illegal, but interesting.

Can't think of anything illegal on having letters and numbers on your clothing though, providing they aren't offensive, (then again, FCUK have been getting away with it for years)

I don't think that the software can tell is the plate is on a car though.

IR cameras take a still, then a search algorithm looks for numberplate signatures in the bit map image. Character regognition then does the rest.

I'm pretty sure it DOESN'T know if the plate is on a car or not.

bryan35

Original Poster:

1,906 posts

270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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what do you reckon SC?

would you pull a pedestrian for having a T-Shirt with a number plate on?

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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bryan35 said:
what do you reckon SC?

would you pull a pedestrian for having a T-Shirt with a number plate on?



No..but I would be tempted to PNC the number...

bryan35

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1,906 posts

270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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ok, you PNC it and it comes back
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Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Go to Ken Livingstones house.

Note the reg of his car.

Go to fancyplates.com and get a set made

Strap to the top of a r/c car.

Drive in and out of the CC zone and past speed cameras

Wait for the news article to appear...

bryan35

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270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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or....

Streetcop. G ND RC

bryan35

Original Poster:

1,906 posts

270 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!

Oh yes.............

Have the T shirts made with IR filters on them, so you can't visibly see the plate, but the cameras can!

On a pedestrian!!



minimax

11,985 posts

285 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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bryan35 said:
Strange question!!!!

BUT, lets say you had a t-shirt that has, as part of it's design, a collection of number and letters printed on the back which was the same a valid registration mark, and you were then to go shopping one summer afternoon in the centre of london, would the owner of such registration mark get a CC letter through the post?



I suspect the owner of the vehicle to which the registration mark pertained might have something to say!

unless you made sure it belonged to a car living in, say, aberdeen cue: official embarrassment by the truckload

guru_1071

2,768 posts

263 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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bit of a tangent here.

recentley i stopped at the petrol station on the a1/a14 roundabout to fill the truck i was driving up with fuel.

they have one of those numberplate systems that records the plates of all the cars that fill up there.

on the moniter in the shop was a picture of the truck next to mine with the number plate 'BOX 7'. 'nice plate' i thought, when i went outside the camera had focused on the id code of the trailer unit.

i wonder if the trucker had driven of without paying wheather the owner of 'BOX 7' (if it exists) would have been chased for the debt?????

just goes to show that it doesnt always work!

Targarama

14,785 posts

312 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Saw a Peugeot 405 on the M3 a few months back with 3 numbeplates on the front. He had lots of 'I support hunting' and 'speed kills' stickers in the side/rear windows. He was driving down the middle lane of an empty motorway at 75mph which is why I noticed him.

I assume the 3 plates on the front were to confuse the Kengestion cameras. As long as one is the correct plate I believe you're legally OK. Not sure what the traffic cops would say though ... mind you he's probably never come across one in years.

kevinday

13,833 posts

309 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Plotloss said:
Go to Ken Livingstones house.

Note the reg of his car.

Go to fancyplates.com and get a set made

Strap to the top of a r/c car.

Drive in and out of the CC zone and past speed cameras

Wait for the news article to appear...


Good idea, but, Ken L does not drive.....

towman

14,938 posts

268 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Streetcop said:

guru_1071 said:
new angle on stealth cars.

cover your car in known reg numbers that match cars the same make and colour of your own

youd look daft but would you get away????



more liable to be arrested and have your car recovered for examination..



Arrested on what grounds? c@u regs would identify the VRN of the vehicle - it would be the one with number plate lamps.

Can`t see any grounds for complaint.

busa_rush

6,930 posts

280 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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I thought reg plates were copyright DVLA ? That's how they can take them back if you misrepresent them on your car. If they're copyright you'd have to be willing to destroy them if (when) DVLA realised what you were doing. They're not going to allow you to get away with it and will have local plod marching you to pay a number misrepresentation tax very quickly.


>> Edited by busa_rush on Friday 4th February 21:08

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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towman said:

Streetcop said:


guru_1071 said:
new angle on stealth cars.

cover your car in known reg numbers that match cars the same make and colour of your own

youd look daft but would you get away????




more liable to be arrested and have your car recovered for examination..




Arrested on what grounds? c@u regs would identify the VRN of the vehicle - it would be the one with number plate lamps.

Can`t see any grounds for complaint.


"C@u regs would identify VRN of vehicle" what does that mean Steve? How can legislation, ie Construction and Use Regulations possible determine a vehicle's registration???? Or have I missed something..

As for arrested...?

1) pervert course of justice
2) going equipped...

Proving it at court might be another story...but grounds to arrest are very real...

towman

14,938 posts

268 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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Streetcop said:

"C@u regs would identify VRN of vehicle" what does that mean Steve?


Ok, we`re at cross purposes here.

Lets say we have a vehicle (van makes it easier) with the back doors painted number plate yellow. On those doors are "dvla font" numbers& letters. If a number plate was screwed to the van so that it blended in with the background, to follow c&u regs, the ligitimate plate fo the vehicle must be illuminated. Any other numbers/letters are just decoration.

hardly perverting the course or going equipped, because the vehicle complies with the law and displays the correct VRN.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Friday 4th February 2005
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but the suggestion was putting on number plates that refer to an exact same make/model elsewhere in the town/county