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When they say, "press not required" what they mean is "a press will make this job a hell of a lot easier but with some Heath Robinson tools, a bit of ingenuity and a lot of brute force, oh and of course lots of time, you can do just about this without a press, eventually". As with pushing anything into a tight space lots of lube is essential. 
You will need some m12 studding, nuts and thick washers which are wider than the holes the bushes are going into. That will get it in most of the way. A picture would explain it all now but unfortunately I don't have one. Sit tight and one will appear soon I'm sure. Getting the lip out of the end once the rest of it is 99% in will be the tricky bit. Good luck.
You will need some m12 studding, nuts and thick washers which are wider than the holes the bushes are going into. That will get it in most of the way. A picture would explain it all now but unfortunately I don't have one. Sit tight and one will appear soon I'm sure. Getting the lip out of the end once the rest of it is 99% in will be the tricky bit. Good luck.
Agree with both the above, chill the bush then use a strong vice* taking great care to keep the bush parallel to the tube. If you have a socket big enough to go round the diameter of the bush then use this to get things started and always put something between the vice and the job, dont want those nasty indentations from the vice jaws 
. Plus of course, plenty of your favourite lube (no need to declare the brand! 
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. Plus of course, plenty of your favourite lube (no need to declare the brand! )- I have several I am told, but the 5" Record is my favourite!
Jaye R said:
....Another quick question - is it best to fit the bush without the inner sleeve first or fit 'all at once'???...
Hi Jaye - personally I'd leave the liner tube until last so that the poly bush is as squidgy as possible. Other may have another approach.I've not fitted polly bushes but I'd be inclnied to warm it not cool it on the basis that you need the bush to squidge up as much as possible to squeeze into the hole. I can't see it contracting by a significant amount but it will get harder if it is frozen. On this occasion soft and supple might help it slip in more easily rather than the hard on approach
v8s4me said:
Hi Jaye - personally I'd leave the liner tube until last so that the poly bush is as squidgy as possible. Other may have another approach.
I've not fitted polly bushes but I'd be inclnied to warm it not cool it on the basis that you need the bush to squidge up as much as possible to squeeze into the hole. I can't see it contracting by a significant amount but it will get harder if it is frozen. On this occasion soft and supple might help it slip in more easily rather than the hard on approach
When I came to do this job, I failed miserably. They just would not fit. Squashing them in with m12 studding and large nuts and washers just bent them out of shape. I simply could not get them to fit even after putting them in hot water to make them softer and more malleable. The only way I could think of improving my technique is to use a mikolor/jubilee clamp in the same manner as a piston ring compressor, pushing in the flange so that it could the. Be pulled through with the m12 bar. I've not fitted polly bushes but I'd be inclnied to warm it not cool it on the basis that you need the bush to squidge up as much as possible to squeeze into the hole. I can't see it contracting by a significant amount but it will get harder if it is frozen. On this occasion soft and supple might help it slip in more easily rather than the hard on approach
I gave up and got my local regular garage to do it for me on my behalf. One hour, a press and lots of experience and it was done.
Good luck!
The Big G said:
The only way I could think of improving my technique is to use a mikolor/jubilee clamp in the same manner as a piston ring compressor, pushing in the flange so that it could the. Be pulled through with the m12 bar.
A possible improvement would be to roll a piece of thin metal or plastic around the bush first and then apply the Jubilee clips to compress it to the correct diameter for insertion.Not tried it but it sound feasible with plenty of lubricant.
Hi All
Many thanks for all your suggestions & advice - always appreciated & always useful - I will be trying pretty much everything this weekend - if I still can't get the things in then I will have to refer to my local garage
So, a weekend of squashing, squeezing, pushing, hot & cold & all with plenty of lube coming up Happy Days!!!
Cheers
Jaye
Many thanks for all your suggestions & advice - always appreciated & always useful - I will be trying pretty much everything this weekend - if I still can't get the things in then I will have to refer to my local garage
So, a weekend of squashing, squeezing, pushing, hot & cold & all with plenty of lube coming up
Happy Days!!! Cheers
Jaye
down under, they know how .....
-Oz Style-
Did you try this with the vice ? I used this method to remove all of the old bushes a few weeks ago.
With a standard 80 ShA PU, if you heat it to 100 degC it will expand in size by approx. 2% - I know, because we make the stuff in work.
Heating it up will not really make it much softer though, maybe just 2-3 ShA lower, this is one of the properties of PU which makes it better than rubber for many applications.
The PU which Powerflex uses (Adiprene) should be stable down to -40 degC, but I don't think you need to put them in the freezer.
-Oz Style-
Did you try this with the vice ? I used this method to remove all of the old bushes a few weeks ago.
With a standard 80 ShA PU, if you heat it to 100 degC it will expand in size by approx. 2% - I know, because we make the stuff in work.
Heating it up will not really make it much softer though, maybe just 2-3 ShA lower, this is one of the properties of PU which makes it better than rubber for many applications.
The PU which Powerflex uses (Adiprene) should be stable down to -40 degC, but I don't think you need to put them in the freezer.
TVRees said:
..there you go Jaye...couldn't be easier "mate" and then down the pub for a few tinnis....remember to wear your safety shorts though... AutoAndy said:
..there you go Jaye...couldn't be easier "mate" and then down the pub for a few tinnis....remember to wear your safety shorts though...
have a look at the video next on youtube regarding the 'issues' with powerflex and similar.......really explains how these bushings work (or don't)I did this recently and it came under the 'worst job in the world' heading for me! I tried what is shown in the video and failed miserably, despite lube, more hands, etc. etc.
However, I then made myself a special tool (stop it!) to help ease the bush into the wishbone. Pics below:
Essentially these are nylon tapered tubes so the bush squashes gradually as it is pushed into the wishbone using a vice and appropriate socket to push with. I used a woodwork vice since my metalworking one would not open up enough with this arrangement. The white one is split and uses a job clip to go around but the black one is just one piece and works better.
They'll go in a jif bag if you get really stuck. Good luck!
Tony
However, I then made myself a special tool (stop it!) to help ease the bush into the wishbone. Pics below:
Essentially these are nylon tapered tubes so the bush squashes gradually as it is pushed into the wishbone using a vice and appropriate socket to push with. I used a woodwork vice since my metalworking one would not open up enough with this arrangement. The white one is split and uses a job clip to go around but the black one is just one piece and works better.
They'll go in a jif bag if you get really stuck. Good luck!
Tony
ketvrin said:
Hi Jaye old mate...
Probably doesnt help you with yours but mine came in two halves, so pushed in easily from each end then pushed in liner tube last... Easy job with the silicon grease supplied liberally applied.
Perhaps you should cut yours???
K
Now then Kev, how're doin?? Probably doesnt help you with yours but mine came in two halves, so pushed in easily from each end then pushed in liner tube last... Easy job with the silicon grease supplied liberally applied.
Perhaps you should cut yours???
K
The thought of cutting them had crossed my mind - the trailing arm ones were in two pieces & were a piece of cake to fit...
I'm assuming they shouldn't be cut as it will affect the performance?
Tony's 'gadget' for fitting them has arrived so I'm going to give them a go again over the weekend - if that fails then I'm off to my local garage
Cheers
Jaye
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