aston DB11 Wow.
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cayman-black

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13,268 posts

246 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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This is going to be the car to have, lovely.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2016-as...

ds2000

2,756 posts

222 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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That's a bit of a dodgy photoshop, it looks like they've put a Rapide grill with lip into the DB11 grill.

Its going to be an tough wait for the unveiling.

Jon39

14,956 posts

173 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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They must publish their magazine articles on their website, about a fortnight after their printed version.
We did have a discussion about this, but I thought including the image at that time, would not be the correct thing to do.

There is an amusing aspect to the front design. It looks as though the front of another car can be seen under the front of the bonnet.
Perhaps with the DB11 you get two cars. Very James Bond. - smile

jonby

5,367 posts

187 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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If the timeline is true and IIRC from when I read the print article, it seemed in line with informed speculation, vanquish is to be replaced in 2020

If so, I wonder if they will simply discontinue it a couple of years before the replacement or alternatively, attempt to integrate the turbo V12 and some of the internals from DB11 into a revised Vanquish. If they don't do the latter, I just don't see how vanquish will continue to sell after DB11 is on the market


ds2000

2,756 posts

222 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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They'll be a Vanq Bond edition :P

Jon39

14,956 posts

173 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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jonby said:
If the timeline is true and IIRC from when I read the print article, it seemed in line with informed speculation, vanquish is to be replaced in 2020

If so, I wonder if they will simply discontinue it a couple of years before the replacement or alternatively, attempt to integrate the turbo V12 and some of the internals from DB11 into a revised Vanquish. If they don't do the latter, I just don't see how vanquish will continue to sell after DB11 is on the market

There always seems to be a market for the 'flagship' model, and probably a better percentage margin too. Therefore logic would indicate, a refreshed Vanquish model around the time of the DB11 introduction, to keep it as the top model.



RobDown

3,807 posts

158 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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if it genuinely has more space in the back then I might be interested - the kids have outgrown the db9 rear seats, so I need an alternative.

jonby

5,367 posts

187 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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Jon39 said:
jonby said:
If the timeline is true and IIRC from when I read the print article, it seemed in line with informed speculation, vanquish is to be replaced in 2020

If so, I wonder if they will simply discontinue it a couple of years before the replacement or alternatively, attempt to integrate the turbo V12 and some of the internals from DB11 into a revised Vanquish. If they don't do the latter, I just don't see how vanquish will continue to sell after DB11 is on the market

There always seems to be a market for the 'flagship' model, and probably a better percentage margin too. Therefore logic would indicate, a refreshed Vanquish model around the time of the DB11 introduction, to keep it as the top model.
I agree with the logic but if so, it will require careful time management - they can't refresh vanquish at the same time as DB11 or else the novelty of the new dash/interior & engine will no longer be there to buy DB11 apart from shape. That;s assuming they can integrate the new electrical systems & dash into vanquish without upgrading the chassis of course. But if they don't introduce a vanquish like that till 2017, it only has a couple of years till it's replaced. And if all they do is put the new engine in vanquish, surely the more modern electrical architecture, dash, chassis, etc in DB11 will still make vanquish a hard sell. Unless they go utterly bonkers in the power differential, which with turbocharging is possible - 700bhp Vanquish ?

I really hope they will do more to differentiate DB11 and vanquish/flagship going forward - it hardly seems worth right now having two relatively similar but different body shells on such similar underpinnings. I do think Vanquish is a wonderful car but it's biggest competitor right now is arguably DB9/DB11

Going forward, it would be nice to see at the very least, more of a Ferrari approach e.g. 456/550, FF/F12, 599/612. I get that vanquish is more aggressive looking, ever so slightly faster, etc but the real world difference between vanquish & DB9 GT, especially if they fitted the 8 speed in DB9 which they will in DB11, isn't really that great