Should i negotiate the salary

[alec1975]

I received the job offer few days ago and I have verbally accepted the offer but now I think I should have negotiated the salary bit more. This is the first time I applied directly not through the agency so I don’t have this salary negotiation experience.
They are paying me at max they advertised on the job but from my past experience I think there is always room to negotiate the salary. They gave me only two days to decide and I did tell them that I need more time to decide as I have other job offers on table but they said they need someone urgently and can't wait that long.
First they offered me 2k less than their maximum budget but I was asking for 4k more, guy from hr said he can try for 2k more but not 4k.
I had a quick chat with the line manager and she said I have already asked board for 2k more and if I go back again then they might ask me to look at other candidates.
Also, company normally don’t give any pay raise and if they look at other candidates through agency then they will have to pay the agency fees.
I know it’s not very professional to go back and ask for more money when I have already accepted the offer (verbally) and I think they might not like it and may withdraw the offer.

Any advice here please.

[scottri]

How important is the 2k to you? Are you willing to lose this job for it?

From what you have said, you've already had your chance to negotiate and accepted it, if I was the hiring manager I'd be pretty annoyed if you attempted to open the conversation again - personally I don't think it gives the right impression and may be remembered at pay review time....

[ChasW]

It's possible if you have a good reason to re-open the negotiation. I have done it twice. The first time involved a relocation and the house price differential was far worse than I had expected so pointed this out and the company were sympathetic an added another 7.5%. The second time the case was around commuting costs. In this instance the new employer gave me a travel allowance which was later added to my salary so it was pensionable. If it's seen as just pushing your luck then I'd say it's risky.

[boxst]

Once agreed, it is very bad form to go back and renegotiate. You of course should have negotiated before accepting the offer.

[Dave350]

Too late now, you will look like a nob going back now. I'd reject your whole offer on principle and see it as acting in bad faith.

[StuTheGrouch]

swerni said:

Take the job and the money or don't take the job.

You must have been happy with the original negotiated salary or you wouldn't have accepted it.
What makes you think you're worth more?

Key bit right here. Why should they pay you more?

They offered £4k less than you wanted, you then met in the middle and now you wish to go back to get exactly what you wanted in the first place. You're going to need to be in a strong position with some outstanding reasons for this.

In your shoes OP I would take the job (or not take the job if £2k was that significant), and then focus my efforts on proving my worth so that I can make a case for more later, coupled with clear benefits to the business and taking on more responsibility. Or use them as a means of boosting the CV ready for the next jump.

[jonah35]

I think if you did that it would be a very poor thing to do

[Janosh]

Let's presume that following a verbal acceptance with 'company A' the OP receives a better (or revised) offer from a competitor, at which point can you no longer negotiate?

Surely this would justify grounds for a review of the proposed package?

[Butter Face]

Janosh said:

Let's presume that following a verbal acceptance with 'company A' the OP receives a better (or revised) offer from a competitor, at which point can you no longer negotiate?

Surely this would justify grounds for a review of the proposed package?

They could also say 'no worries' and withdraw their offer. Dangerous game.

IMO you go in, prove your worth and after a year ask for more money. 2k per year is and extra £100 or so each month after tax etc. Not worth losing a job over.

[alec1975]

Janosh said:

Let's presume that following a verbal acceptance with 'company A' the OP receives a better (or revised) offer from a competitor, at which point can you no longer negotiate?

Surely this would justify grounds for a review of the proposed package?

I do have another offer but i will have to relocate.

Company A has high employee turnover and people leave within two years don't know why, there is no pay raise system in this company. I will be on this same salary for next 2-3 years.

I am having second thoughts because i might lose my skills by joining this company, salary is better but there is no growth. My plan was to accept this new offer and carry on doing 6-8 hours per week with my current company which will keep me going and i won't lose my skills plus i will earn some extra as well. I haven't spoken to my current line manager about this proposal yet, will discuss next week.

Only reason i want to move on is technology and better pay. My current manager trusts me and he knows my worth but unfortunately he can't give pay raise because of company structure but i have flexi time benefit, i can work from home whenever i want, i can start and finish anytime i want. I have discussed about using new technology in upcoming projects and he is agreed with it but i will have to learn it first, there is no training system. May be its worth staying in my current job until i find something really better.

Edited by alec1975 on Sunday 13th September 13:57

[lewisf182]

It does look bad form to negotiate after you've accepted but hey ho, it's your life, just accept that you may lose the job offer but in my opinion they wouldn't want to go back out to advert or get their second choice for the sake of £2k. Perhaps try to be flexible and say if you pass your probation can it increase by £2k at that point? That's what I did with my current role and it worked.

[RichwiththeS2000]

Bad form. If you mess them around on this what else will you flake on?

[alec1975]

lewisf182 said:

It does look bad form to negotiate after you've accepted but hey ho, it's your life, just accept that you may lose the job offer but in my opinion they wouldn't want to go back out to advert or get their second choice for the sake of £2k. Perhaps try to be flexible and say if you pass your probation can it increase by £2k at that point? That's what I did with my current role and it worked.

I was thinking about it.

[Vee]

Forget the fact that they've already increased their original offer once, or that you've verbally accepted what is now the upper limit of the scale they advertised the job at.
I would be asking, if you wanted more than it was advertised at, why did you even bother applying and wasting everyone's time ?

It is bad form and I'd imagine most employers would be very annoyed about it.

Edited by Vee on Monday 14th September 14:53

[PurpleTurtle]

alec1975 said:

My plan was to accept this new offer and carry on doing 6-8 hours per week with my current company which will keep me going and i won't lose my skills plus i will earn some extra as well. I haven't spoken to my current line manager about this proposal yet, will discuss next week.

OP, with respect, do you really think this is workable? If somebody I employed wanted to jump ship I would understand, that happens all the time.

However, them having some pie-in-the-sky idea about being kept on the payroll (with all the legality of continuing to employ you, albeit for a tiny few hours) just isn't worth the bother. Unless you are completely irreplaceable and nobody else in the labour market can fulfil your role, which I doubt, otherwise they'd be paying you handsomely to retain you and you wouldn't be looking elsewhere.

Likewise, if I hired someone and found they were filling in for their former employer, the first thing I'd be thinking is that they were doing it on my time. Very dim view taken.