7.34 Ring time for new S

[hunter 66]

Porshce time ...... usually conservative and on road tyres , not cups ......... dash to tubo power ....
Impressive

[Wilmslowboy]

So bit hard to compare times ...

However that's quicker than a LFA, Ferrari 458 and a 997 turbo...about the same time as a 997 GT3 RS, GTR

[ttdan]

So, you arrive at the dottinger hohe car park a few seconds before everyone else, This is bad because you now have to buy the coffee...

[PorscheGT4]

A turbo is faster than the latest and greatest RS

Just depends what you are after, if it's lap times the turbo S wins.

Be great to see a 991 turbo S ring time on cup 2's

[Jim1556]

PorscheGT4 said:

A turbo is faster than the latest and greatest RS

Just depends what you are after, if it's lap times the turbo S wins.

Be great to see a 991 turbo S ring time on cup 2's

It's quite telling that the RS and a Turbo S share the same laptime round Anglesey - RS on Cup 2s, Turbo S on P Zeros...

[TrackTwit]

Jim1556 said:

PorscheGT4 said:

A turbo is faster than the latest and greatest RS

Just depends what you are after, if it's lap times the turbo S wins.

Be great to see a 991 turbo S ring time on cup 2's

It's quite telling that the RS and a Turbo S share the same laptime round Anglesey - RS on Cup 2s, Turbo S on P Zeros...

Yes, the turbo s on cup 2s would be a tad quicker.

[s2000db]

TrackTwit said:

Jim1556 said:

PorscheGT4 said:

A turbo is faster than the latest and greatest RS

Just depends what you are after, if it's lap times the turbo S wins.

Be great to see a 991 turbo S ring time on cup 2's

It's quite telling that the RS and a Turbo S share the same laptime round Anglesey - RS on Cup 2s, Turbo S on P Zeros...

Yes, the turbo s on cup 2s would be a tad quicker.

Yes almost as quick as a hyper car, apart from more power, I'm wondering whether we've reached a performance peak with current chassis and tyre technologies?

[WCZ]

hunter 66 said:

Porshce time ...... usually conservative and on road tyres , not cups ......... dash to tubo power ....
Impressive

insane time !

[Phooey]

Rapid. Is the GT2RS quickest 911 so far? How long before a 911 does it in less than 7:10??

[Steve Rance]

s2000db said:

TrackTwit said:

Jim1556 said:

PorscheGT4 said:

A turbo is faster than the latest and greatest RS

Just depends what you are after, if it's lap times the turbo S wins.

Be great to see a 991 turbo S ring time on cup 2's

It's quite telling that the RS and a Turbo S share the same laptime round Anglesey - RS on Cup 2s, Turbo S on P Zeros...

Yes, the turbo s on cup 2s would be a tad quicker.

Yes almost as quick as a hyper car, apart from more power, I'm wondering whether we've reached a performance peak with current chassis and tyre technologies?

The big gains in the current era are electronic. My view is that there are substantial gains yet to be made but at the expense of driver involvement. Whether that's a good or a bad thing depends on your point of view

[hunter 66]

Agree Steve , but also the big thing is aero so no big wing needed ...... a standard Carrera S is now 25 secs faster than the 996 GT3 .

[jackal]

for me, the 991 Turbo S is the most impressive thing about Porsche right now

a car which is that comfortable, that practical, that you can use every single day and put 2 small people in the back seats too

yet it beats the RS and GT3 into a cocked hat at their own game (not to mention Ferrari's trackday hero) yet still manages to be engaging and fun in a way not normally associated with the Turbo



that said, the new Carrera ring time is mighty .. incredible how quick its become without massively swelling its BHP ... the 991 chassis moved the game on so much

[Steve Rance]

That is the quandary for Porsche. The earlier GT3's lap performance over the turbo versions was defined by their respective chassis hardware. The 991 GT3 and turbo have the same electronic and vectoring aids so the performance will now be more defined by horsepower.

[Phooey]

Steve Rance said:

That is the quandary for Porsche

Makes you wonder if this is why we haven't seen a 991 GT2 yet. It'd have to be RWD, and ideally quicker than the Turbo S. I reckon if Porsche release a 991 GT2 they will offer it as manual only and aim it as a 'bit of a drivers car'.

[hunter 66]

And 700 bhp !

[ttdan]

Phooey said:

Steve Rance said:

That is the quandary for Porsche

Makes you wonder if this is why we haven't seen a 991 GT2 yet. It'd have to be RWD, and ideally quicker than the Turbo S. I reckon if Porsche release a 991 GT2 they will offer it as manual only and aim it as a 'bit of a drivers car'.

Its only a quandary if they continue value outright lap time of the ring as the main KPI of their cars! Surely this nonesense has to stop at some point. Without wishing to sound like James May i do think we (well I am) are at the point of not caring about it. Surely they can come up with some other metrics to define wether a car is good or not? They obviously can't or won't whilst the entire market is worried about ring times. Its nonesense for a road car and a Carrera is a sports road car, there is no where on the road where you would get even close to driving as one might when trying to replicate that sort of pace so it's a total irrelevance really.

[Olivera]

jackal said:

for me, the 991 Turbo S is the most impressive thing about Porsche right now

a car which is that comfortable, that practical, that you can use every single day and put 2 small people in the back seats too

yet it beats the RS and GT3 into a cocked hat at their own game (not to mention Ferrari's trackday hero) yet still manages to be engaging and fun in a way not normally associated with the Turbo

I would argue the turbo (and turbo S) are now pretty redundant. The new turbo Carrera S now offers a level of performance for the road that is more than sufficient, any more power is pretty superfluous. Even on the track joe bloggs won't get anywhere near the 7.34 ring time it's able to perform.

[WCZ]

Olivera said:

I would argue the turbo (and turbo S) are now pretty redundant. The new turbo Carrera S now offers a level of performance for the road that is more than sufficient, any more power is pretty superfluous. Even on the track joe bloggs won't get anywhere near the 7.34 ring time it's able to perform.

it's interesting to see what they'll do - especially considering the 'turbo' models have traditionally had the highest profit margins

[jackal]

Olivera said:

any more power is pretty superfluous.

I think we reached that point many many years ago.

[roygarth]

jackal said:

Olivera said:

any more power is pretty superfluous.

I think we reached that point many many years ago.

To a degree that's always been the case. Suspect if this forum had existed 20 years ago the same would have been said. To many people the stats and associated bragging rights down the pub are a large part of the deal.