Unfair? But am I worth it?
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DervVW

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2,223 posts

168 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I am not sure how to explain this...

I work for a large IT firm that has contracts with other companies to offer their services.
Recently there was a win on a contract that was to move into my area of work.
They put an advert out over email of serveral positions that would be required.

I sent over a C.V. to apply, heard nothing, then a week later I was told verbaly by my manager that the jobs do not exist.

Now about a month later I notice they have bought in some people to do this job that was advertised, they have been moved sideways into this position.

I gather I was not what they were looking for, but it seems such a snake way of doing it.

Anyone got any thoughts?

CubanPete

3,799 posts

217 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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You didn't get job, reason given dubious, but not unfair.

AyBee

11,311 posts

231 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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The jobs were already filled - they had to advertise them for legal reasons, they probably didn't even look at your CV.

warp9

1,632 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I'd be annoyed about this. Sounds like they have paid lip service to advertising the role internally, with no intention of honouring that. I would have at least expected a meeting to discuss your application, or a full interview, then reasons why you have not been accepted.

If you feel strongly about it I would put in a formal complain to HR or a senior manager/director who has not been involved in this process saying the correct process and procedure has not been followed. Also call ACAS or Citizens Advice who may be able to help.

sideways sid

1,465 posts

244 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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warp9 said:
If you feel strongly about it I would put in a formal complain to HR or a senior manager/director who has not been involved in this process saying the correct process and procedure has not been followed. Also call ACAS or Citizens Advice who may be able to help.
To achieve what? Apart from the OP publicly proclaiming himself to be a trouble-maker, and eliminating any chance of future promotion!

OP, live with it! Things will happen that are out of your control. If you don't like it, get a job somewhere else.

prand

6,244 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I think it's not 100% fair to say just suck it up. Even if the OP was not suitable at that time, it would be reasonable to ask why not if at least to find out what development areas would be ok.

You may also have been considered too valuable in your current role to be placed elsewhere, even if you think you would have been good for it.

Otispunkmeyer

13,759 posts

184 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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AyBee said:
The jobs were already filled - they had to advertise them for legal reasons, they probably didn't even look at your CV.
Likely this. Happens in universities a lot as well. Generally they have someone in mind for the role and its all but done and dusted. They have to put out and ad and take applications in though, but its just going through the motions.

My GF got her PhD this way. Her supervisor at masters wanted her to do it, wanted her to build off her master work. Getting someone new in wouldn't have worked as they'd have spent at least the next year re-treading ground. They had to advertise though, but in that case no one applied.

Once finished she wanted to apply for a job looking after international PhD students at the uni. Applied, didn't get it, but a lower down member of the international team got it. Likely, she'd already been given the job and was the best person for it... knows the work, can crack on right away. But the rules say it must be advertised internally and externally. Its 100% a waste of time to apply, they already have someone. IMO they should just be left to get on with it, its normally the best course of action.

DervVW

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2,223 posts

168 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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So yes... ill have to just suck it up. Interesting to read your thoughts.
I did think that this is what I'd have to do.

Looking elsewhere is on the cards though.

Countdown

49,265 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th September 2015
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I'm guessing that the unions would have played a part in creating the "must advertise internally first" clause. They like doing that as it benefits their members.

If so, then have a quiet word with the union rep. He can ask why there wasn't an open and transparent internal recruitment process.

Many moons ago a junior union rep was given a promotion on a "nod and wink" basis. I asked the main union rep why the job hadn't been advertised EXTERNALLY (those were the rules for support services). HR insisted it went to open advert, stroppy junior union rep didn't get the job and subsequently resigned from Union for acting against its members interests ! biggrinbiggrin

DervVW

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2,223 posts

168 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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Sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut I guess

StuTheGrouch

5,918 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2015
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What's happened then?

DervVW

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2,223 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2015
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Nothing - I'm still at the same place