What speed is correct?
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P4Pistonhead

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24 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Hi guys,

I was wondering, what would the correct speed be of my car?

For example; Lets say on the speedo I'm doing 70mph, but on the GPS speedo apps on my phone, it'll say I'm doing about 73-75mph, soo, which one biggrin?

As its kinda annoying having to use the speedo app on the phone constantly, as I don't want to risk a speeding fine, when the car says I'm doing 70 but I'm actually doing 75mph.

Thanks

And sos if the post isn't clear, half awake now

Pebbles167

4,598 posts

182 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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GPS is generally more accurate. Most cars over read slightly on their speedos, modern ones too. If your speedo is under reading it would suggest you might be running the incorrect wheel size or tyre profile for your car? I found this to be true when i put 17" wheels on my Peugeot 206.

P4Pistonhead

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24 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Ah ok, don't think it has original size wheels on, so that must contribute it, guess I'll have to use a speedo app when on the motorway!

Thanks

DukeDickson

5,054 posts

243 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Yep sounds like playing around of some sorts, given that speedos don't (or shouldn't) under-read. From memory, as rarely use nav/GPS, mine would show about 73 @ a real 70.

sim72

4,998 posts

164 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Our T4 had 18" wheels fitted by a previous owner, and the speedo is bang on in agreement with GPS, so I'm guessing it under-read by about 10% on its original 16" ones, unless the tyre profile was bigger. It's very handy for trundling through the miles of 50mph on the M1 without having to glance at the GPS all the time.

P4Pistonhead

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24 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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So, would I get a ticket for going about at speedo 70 (gps 75) on like the motorway cameras, like for example the ones on the M1 near the luton airport area? Or the m25 speed cameras, I know before they had a leeway of the maximum speed you could do? But not sure if thats the case now.

Stoofa

959 posts

198 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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"As a rule" you wouldn't see a ticket until 79mph on a motorway (70+10%+2) - but that is not to say you couldn't/wouldn't receive a ticket for 71.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Chuck the GPS out of the window and just look at your speedo. All that is happening is that you have two devices measuring the same thing and giving you different readings.

We use GPS at work with RTK differential correction. There is probably 10 grand per machine in hardware and software plus the £500/yr/machine subscription for the RTK signal. This gives sub centimeter accuracy. Most of the time. It does go wrong. It does fk about. It is brilliant when it works. I wouldn't trust it much further than I could throw it.

The only variables on a calibrated speedo are tyre wear (bugger all on a car) and inflation both of which will affect the rolling radius. You'll always get a reading rather than when all the planets align like with GPS. I doubt a cheap app on a phone is going to be that good.

MrBarry123

6,108 posts

151 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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As already mentioned OP, speedos almost always under rear to stop people blaming the speedo for any speeding offences.

The two Golfs I had were the "worst" for this i.e. 77mph indicated was actually only 70mph according to GPS.

tapereel

1,860 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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P4Pistonhead said:
Hi guys,

I was wondering, what would the correct speed be of my car?

For example; Lets say on the speedo I'm doing 70mph, but on the GPS speedo apps on my phone, it'll say I'm doing about 73-75mph, soo, which one biggrin?

As its kinda annoying having to use the speedo app on the phone constantly, as I don't want to risk a speeding fine, when the car says I'm doing 70 but I'm actually doing 75mph.

Thanks

And sos if the post isn't clear, half awake now
Your Speedo is only allowed to read the correct speed or up to 10% more than your true speed.

You need to sort your wheels out or fix the Speedo.

As long as you are holding a steady speed your GPS device will probably be accurate to +/-1mph. As soon as you change speed it will need to catch up and that depends on the device you have. Unless you have paid a lot of cash for an industrial unit it won't be adequate. A phone won't be sufficient.

Gavin0478

480 posts

171 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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The Nissan pi$$taker sorry I mean pathfinder that I returned was showing into the 80's on the speedo when gps showed 70 and apparently that was still in tolerance!!!!!

MrBarry123

6,108 posts

151 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Gavin0478 said:
The Nissan pi$$taker sorry I mean pathfinder that I returned was showing into the 80's on the speedo when gps showed 70 and apparently that was still in tolerance!!!!!
At least you had a much lower chance of receiving a speeding ticket than anyone else...

RyanOPlastry

905 posts

238 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Drive at a constant indicated 70 on a quiet motorway, use the distance markers and stopwatch to get an accurate measure of true speed.

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3,766 posts

218 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Willy Nilly said:
Chuck the GPS out of the window and just look at your speedo. All that is happening is that you have two devices measuring the same thing and giving you different readings.

We use GPS at work with RTK differential correction. There is probably 10 grand per machine in hardware and software plus the £500/yr/machine subscription for the RTK signal. This gives sub centimeter accuracy. Most of the time. It does go wrong. It does fk about. It is brilliant when it works. I wouldn't trust it much further than I could throw it.

The only variables on a calibrated speedo are tyre wear (bugger all on a car) and inflation both of which will affect the rolling radius. You'll always get a reading rather than when all the planets align like with GPS. I doubt a cheap app on a phone is going to be that good.
What RTK system do you use out of interest?

Roo

11,504 posts

237 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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GPS will also take a while to catch up with variances in elevation.

Get your speedo fixed and pay attention to what's going on around you, not your phone stuck to your windscreen.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,038 posts

265 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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wobble


If you drove 100 mph up a vertical cliff a GPS would have you at 0 mph (ish). Speedo would be reading 110

Give it a go hehe

No Bend

591 posts

152 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Willy Nilly said:
The only variables on a calibrated speedo are tyre wear (bugger all on a car) and inflation both of which will affect the rolling radius. You'll always get a reading rather than when all the planets align like with GPS.
Err, except for when as other have pointed out wheels whacked on that may be different sizes than when the car was sold. Wheel size or tyre profile. Which affect the rolling radius as you say.

GPS is the cheapest way to get a 98% accurate (guesstimation) comparison to your cars speedo on a good constant run.

RWD cossie wil

4,382 posts

203 months

Sunday 20th September 2015
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
wobble


If you drove 100 mph up a vertical cliff a GPS would have you at 0 mph (ish). Speedo would be reading 110

Give it a go hehe
Four satellites give vertical component guidance as well so you would get a speed wink

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,038 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th September 2015
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RWD cossie wil said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
wobble


If you drove 100 mph up a vertical cliff a GPS would have you at 0 mph (ish). Speedo would be reading 110

Give it a go hehe
Four satellites give vertical component guidance as well so you would get a speed wink
Cool! I'll give it a go biggrin

Sheepshanks

41,236 posts

149 months

Sunday 20th September 2015
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OP has already said car doesn't have its original wheels.

It's also surprisingly common to find cars with slightly different width and /or profile tyres to the originals, usually due to cost or availability. If you're not the original owner, it's often hard to be sure what the correct size is.