teaching someone to drive - advice needed
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Offering to teach my niece to drive.
My car isn't dual control, and is a rather nippy chipped Golf TDI (190 ish BHP with more torque than a ferrari 360)
What do I need?, who's liable for what?, anyone got any real life experience of doing this?
I'm assuming provisional licence, L plates, tell the insurance, (remove the chip), and she'll be liable to any traffic offences. - Would I be liable though for letter her speed for instance?
Any comments chaps?
My car isn't dual control, and is a rather nippy chipped Golf TDI (190 ish BHP with more torque than a ferrari 360)
What do I need?, who's liable for what?, anyone got any real life experience of doing this?
I'm assuming provisional licence, L plates, tell the insurance, (remove the chip), and she'll be liable to any traffic offences. - Would I be liable though for letter her speed for instance?
Any comments chaps?
If it were me, I'd give her the money to have half a dozen lessons in a car with duel controls.May cost you less than her writting your car off.
Then when she has mastered the basics take her out to help build up her confidence, you need to add her on as a named driver to your insurance. Try and find some big open spaces so she can learn to play around a little bit.
Then when she has mastered the basics take her out to help build up her confidence, you need to add her on as a named driver to your insurance. Try and find some big open spaces so she can learn to play around a little bit.
Don't do it until ( as wedge girl says) until she's had some lessons by BSM typres first, when she can use your car for practice, not for being taught.
I can guarantee that you WILL get annoyed at times and she WILL get emotional. It's a traumatic experience for both - it's your car and it's her pride.
I can guarantee that you WILL get annoyed at times and she WILL get emotional. It's a traumatic experience for both - it's your car and it's her pride.
I gave my stepdaughter a couple of lessons on a Sunday in a big empty business car park in my Alfa 147 (nice 17" Supersport wheels).
2 litres and a sensitive throttle = difficult. I got her to take off in 2nd gear after that, and she began to get the hang of it. I am incredibly patient person, and I didn't even shout at her when she kerbed all 4 wheels in one go
Peugeot 206 1.1 on its way...
2 litres and a sensitive throttle = difficult. I got her to take off in 2nd gear after that, and she began to get the hang of it. I am incredibly patient person, and I didn't even shout at her when she kerbed all 4 wheels in one go
Peugeot 206 1.1 on its way...
Teaching someone to pass the driving test requires that they stick to the limits!
You should not allow her to speed so that she gets used to noticing the limits and sticking to them. If she is allowed to speed and be unaware of her speed, she will find it difficult to be consistent on her test!
You can be liable for offences committed by someone you are supervising under aid abett, counsel or procure.
You could be reported for aid and abett excess speed if you are in charge of her as you have responsibility to make sure she abides by the rules. Speeding is not abiding by the rules!
You should not allow her to speed so that she gets used to noticing the limits and sticking to them. If she is allowed to speed and be unaware of her speed, she will find it difficult to be consistent on her test!
You can be liable for offences committed by someone you are supervising under aid abett, counsel or procure.
You could be reported for aid and abett excess speed if you are in charge of her as you have responsibility to make sure she abides by the rules. Speeding is not abiding by the rules!
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getting interesting.
So what's the legal position when supervising a learner driver?
You are liable for the offences that the learner commits whilst you are supervising them!
Really?
So if my pupil has a insane moment, and swerves into an oncomming car, killing the occupant, I could be done for manslaughter?
Right, BSM it is then.
All seems quite straight forward to me, they need to be insured to drive the car and have a provisional licence and display L plates, it's not complicated. As the driver in control of the car you are both liable for any traffic infringements.
I taught both my sons to drive and distinctly remember taking son number two out on his 18th Birthday. As it was a Sunday I drove his car (a Citroen AX) to a business park so he could get the hang of clutch control somewhere quiet. After one or two runs round the car park he was doing fine so I suggested he ventured out onto the A4. He turned right and drove towards Reading with few problems. After a few minutes I said with a knowing glance "you've done this before haven't you"
I'll never forget the look on his face! Rich...
I taught both my sons to drive and distinctly remember taking son number two out on his 18th Birthday. As it was a Sunday I drove his car (a Citroen AX) to a business park so he could get the hang of clutch control somewhere quiet. After one or two runs round the car park he was doing fine so I suggested he ventured out onto the A4. He turned right and drove towards Reading with few problems. After a few minutes I said with a knowing glance "you've done this before haven't you"
I'll never forget the look on his face! Rich... Mr E said:
Really?
So if my pupil has a insane moment, and swerves into an oncomming car, killing the occupant, I could be done for manslaughter?
Right, BSM it is then.
You could be! If you were in a position of repsonsibility and you were not concentrating at the time the madness occurred, then you would be culpable. If on the other hand, you did everything possible to avert the madness and keep the student from the path of impending destruction, you would probably not be proceeded against or would have a great deal of mitigation to offer about the death caused in the opposing car!
I learnt the bulk of my driving with my dad in the passenger seat. I passed second time round lol. He (now) complains I drive too fast, too close and am just generally 'dangerous' in a 'I've not been driving for 35 years kind of way'. He regretted it so much that he went on to do the same for my younger sister.
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