Hand Held Speed Guns, reassure me!
Hand Held Speed Guns, reassure me!
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AJordan

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169 posts

173 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Hello chaps

I’ll keep this as brief as I can, just looking for some advice/reassurance!

Potentially got done by a Copper with a hand held gun this morning, but not sure what the procedure is with them?
Was travelling uphill, doing an indicated 37/38ish on the Speedo, (about 34/35 on the Sat Nav). Didn’t spot the gentleman with the gun until I was about five car lengths away from him (there was another car in front of me at this point), at which point I hauled on the anchors down to about 20mph. (Speed limit is 30)

The question is what happens now? I was under the impression that with hand held lasers the procedure is to pull over and ticket immediately (there was police cars with two officers inside further down the hill). In which case do I just forget about it?
Alternatively, do I sweat for 14 days waiting for a ticket to drop onto the mat?

Any advice gratefully received!

rossc

683 posts

314 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Sweat for about 3 weeks unfortunately.....they have 14 days to contact you plus the postage time I believe.

I was pinged by a hand held speed gun last year, not pulled over at the time....got the letter asking me to identify the driver along with a nice photo a couple of weeks later.

Sorry for the (potentially) bad news !

gsxr renegade

126 posts

145 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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rossc said:
Sweat for about 3 weeks unfortunately.....they have 14 days to contact you plus the postage time I believe.

I was pinged by a hand held speed gun last year, not pulled over at the time....got the letter asking me to identify the driver along with a nice photo a couple of weeks later.

Sorry for the (potentially) bad news !
I think it's 14 days including posting time.

agtlaw

7,415 posts

236 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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No requirement to pull you over.

14 days to serve a notice on the registered keeper; s.1 RTOA 1988 and see s.2 for exceptions to the rule.


croyde

26,458 posts

260 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Think I got zapped by a laser gun on my Vespa the other day. Didn't even look at me as I continued past them. Bikes don't have front plates, so how does that work then?

AJordan

Original Poster:

169 posts

173 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Thanks for the responses, seen so much conflicting information online that its difficult to know what to go with.

One thing that does appear to be the case, is that as I was doing under 42mph in a 30 Limit, should I receive anything through the door, it should be a 'lucky' escape with a Speed Awareness Course.

Will have to wait and see,

Charlie1986

2,106 posts

165 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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maybe have an eye test if you didn't spot him until you were only 5 car lengths away, Lucky he didn't pull you for slamming your brakes on too

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Slammed on the anchors from 35 to 20? That is more dangerous!

You will be fine at 34. They are probably only targeting those 40+.

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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croyde said:
Think I got zapped by a laser gun on my Vespa the other day. Didn't even look at me as I continued past them. Bikes don't have front plates, so how does that work then?
It means you weren't speeding or the speed you were going was not in the range the officer was targeting. If you were, the officer would stop you at the time or take down your numberplate and send an NIP in the post.

Hooli

32,278 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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HantsRat said:
Slammed on the anchors from 35 to 20? That is more dangerous!
yes

I'd call it dangerous driving tbh.

AJordan

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169 posts

173 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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HantsRat said:
Slammed on the anchors from 35 to 20? That is more dangerous!

You will be fine at 34. They are probably only targeting those 40+.
Agreed, but a knee jerk reaction at the time!

I did consider that, but on the road in question (leading uphill to a T junction with traffic lights) I think you'd find it difficult to find enough cars topping 40 at that time of the morning to make it worth their while. Perhaps its just a warning shot to let people know that they're watching.

rockford22

362 posts

162 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Does "slamming the anchors on" really make any difference? A genuine question. Is there a requirement to measure your speed for several seconds or is it instanteous? I presume with the handheld devices that the screen refreshes very frequently, if the operator clocked him at say 37mph and then almost immediately after at 32mph, is there a level of discretion that can be applied?

Just curious - no NIP expected!

agtlaw

7,415 posts

236 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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rockford22 said:
Does "slamming the anchors on" really make any difference? A genuine question. Is there a requirement to measure your speed for several seconds or is it instanteous? I presume with the handheld devices that the screen refreshes very frequently, if the operator clocked him at say 37mph and then almost immediately after at 32mph, is there a level of discretion that can be applied?

Just curious - no NIP expected!
It's virtually instantaneous. 0.3 seconds from memory. The likelihood is that as soon as you see the operator, you've been 'done' so not much point slamming on. Cases I see are often in the range 150-400 metres.

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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rockford22 said:
Does "slamming the anchors on" really make any difference? A genuine question. Is there a requirement to measure your speed for several seconds or is it instanteous? I presume with the handheld devices that the screen refreshes very frequently, if the operator clocked him at say 37mph and then almost immediately after at 32mph, is there a level of discretion that can be applied?

Just curious - no NIP expected!
It's instant. Although you can set the device to continuous mode so it will continue to give a live speed reading until you release the trigger.

Monty Python

4,813 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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HantsRat said:
It means you weren't speeding or the speed you were going was not in the range the officer was targeting. If you were, the officer would stop you at the time or take down your numberplate and send an NIP in the post.
This - unless the speed gun is linked to a camera they have to pull you over and show you the reading on the gun (assuming it is safe to do so). This is the way they prefer to do it.

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Monty Python said:
This - unless the speed gun is linked to a camera they have to pull you over and show you the reading on the gun
Incorrect. You don't have to pull them over and show them the gun. I have attempted to stop cars before that have driven off. You also sometimes get readings from vehicles travelling the other way which you are unable to stop for various reasons. They get an NIP in the post and I simply submit a statement with the guns readings.

Edited by HantsRat on Tuesday 13th October 15:52

agtlaw

7,415 posts

236 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Monty Python said:
This - unless the speed gun is linked to a camera they have to pull you over and show you the reading on the gun (assuming it is safe to do so). This is the way they prefer to do it.
Wrong.

tapereel

1,860 posts

146 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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croyde said:
Think I got zapped by a laser gun on my Vespa the other day. Didn't even look at me as I continued past them. Bikes don't have front plates, so how does that work then?
If you approach your machine from the rear you will notice a number there...hopefully.

croyde

26,458 posts

260 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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hehe

Like I said, they were not looking at me as I passed them and they didn't turn around to look at my rear plate.

GPSHead

657 posts

271 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Hooli said:
HantsRat said:
Slammed on the anchors from 35 to 20? That is more dangerous!
yes

I'd call it dangerous driving tbh.
Well, let's be glad the road's limit isn't 20, otherwise a lot more people would have been doing that. Sounds to me like an excellent reason not to create yet more 20 limits on roads where the 85th percentile speed is mid-30s or more. "People shouldn't slam on the brakes" != "people won't slam on the brakes", so let's not create pointless incentives for them to do so. Seems like a no-brainer for anyone who puts safety above spiting drivers.